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“Israeli PM tells European leaders that Jews have been building in Jerusalem for three thousand years”: This Post was found on a blog, the discussion started, 35 messeges were exchanged between 26 August to 2 September29. Finally the blog owner stopped moderating the replies of Abujak since 31 August 29. It was found that there are hardliners in USA which are much ahead of Taliban of Afghanistan. Their hatred for Muslims is much swear than what we find for them here.  It is hoped that the sense will prevail. We have to work hard to soften the anti Muslims mindset [changing is far distant objective] . The complete discussion is reproduced here for the interest of the reader , to draw own conclusions and response.

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Israeli PM tells European leaders that Jews have been building in Jerusalem for three thousand years

Posted on August 26, 2009 by Warrant One Girl – asil

You know, I admit that I’ve been on the ignorant side of the state of affairs for God’s chosen people, The Jews.  Even more so, it is being revealed just how evil the world is and especially the administration of the President of The United States.

As the Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu met with the British PM Gordon Brown, the British leader urged Netanyahu to halt settlement construction in Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem, to which the Israeli PM said that Jerusalem is not a settlement, it is the capital of the sovereign state of Israel.

Brown said the UK was and is a loyal friend to Israel, but that the settlements, including the old city of Jerusalem, are what impedes the two-state solution to which Netanyahu reminded PM Brown that Jews have been building and living in Jerusalem for three thousand years.

Jimmy’s Prophetic Prospective on the News

In the days before the Messiah, Jesus Christ, returns to the earth, the European leaders will push the Jews on the control of Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria, according to Bible prophecy.

Israeli PM Netanyahu’s visit to Europe to meet with European leaders was designed to have the Israeli leader give the reasons for a Jewish presence and in fact, an expanding presence in the old city of Jerusalem and the territories of Judea and Samaria. Netanyahu has been informing European leaders that the Jewish state has sovereignty over its capital city of Jerusalem and will make no concessions on where Jews can build or buy in Jerusalem. Netanyahu also said that Jews will continue to have a normal life in the disputed areas of Judea and Samaria.

The ancient Jewish prophets wrote of a scenario that we can see being played out right now between Europe and Israel. Daniel revealed that the Old Roman Empire would be revived in the last days and become a major political power in the world with a focus on the Middle East and especially Israel and Jerusalem, Daniel 7:7-24. Zechariah said Jerusalem would be the focus of controversy, Zechariah 12:2 and Daniel wrote that a European leader, the Antichrist, would bring about a short-lived peace to the conflict, Daniel 9:27.

As the European leaders continue to apply pressure on Israel over Jerusalem and the settlements, Bible prophecy moves very close to fulfillment.

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35 Responses

John Hutchins, on August 26th, 2009 at 6:58 pm Said:

Netanyahu is hard line. This is not the first time he has been Prime Minister of Israel. He is a good man in my opinion.
I used to listen to Jimmy Deyoung on the radio.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 26th, 2009 at 7:45 pm Said:

Hey John, Yes I like Jimmy DeYoung and he loves the Middle East, you can tell it in his teachings.

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John, on August 26th, 2009 at 10:40 pm Said:

Yes, he broadcasts from there most of the time.

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Abujak, on August 27th, 2009 at 5:33 am Said:

Natayahoo should know that Jerusalem was never originally a Hebrew city. It existed even before the time of King David, it was made the capital by David, and then later after few centuries it was out of their hands. In the history of Jerusalem the longest period it was under the control of one people , it was continuous Muslim rule of around 14 centuries with a break of 200 years of Christian Rule [Crusaders period]. If they want to live in peace, must settle down with the people of the land. They Must learn lessons from history…. Please read more>> “Jerusalem, Bible, Qur’an & History.pdf” Link”
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=F.08234c59-0111-40fd-83fa-88d92534b905
AbuJak
https://faithforum.wordpress.com

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Whats In a Name, on August 27th, 2009 at 10:39 am Said:

The City of Jerusalem was given to Israel by God. The Israelis should never give up what God has given to them. Israel will stand firm, never should they be told to quit building on what is their country. The Palestinians have one idea and one only and that is to kill all Jewish people and all Christians. That is all they care about. It doesn’t matter whether the people of Israel stop building! It will not appease the Palestinians. They will go on to something else to fight over or whine about.

Let the Islamic people continue to wage their wars. They will lose the war in the end. The war is God’s war. There is none other. Let it begin. Let it all begin. Israel will be protected. Those who love the Lord, those who belong to God have no fear. The victory goes to God. Those who have the mark of God will be victors. The Islamic people will die. They will burn in the pit forever.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm Said:

WhatsInAName, Amen Sister! Just the other day a Jewish settler in Judea explained that there is no such people as Palestinians, they made it up to give themselves credibility.

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John, on August 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm Said:

What you are seeing now is conflicts between the decendants
Of Ishmael and Isaac the two sons of Abraham. The lineage of Isaac were the Jews and the Descendants Of Ishmael the Arabs. Ishnael was the son of Hagar and was born out of Gods well because Abraham and Sarah disobeyed God.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 27th, 2009 at 7:06 pm Said:

Hey John, great comment! wow, you know your Bible. Yes, I like to read and study my bible before I commit to agree. Actually my father did a timeline chart of the descendants too, I will look at that too.

Thanks for commenting.

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Abujak, on August 28th, 2009 at 6:43 am Said:

Historically there is evidence of existence of population in the area around 3000 B.C.E. The city derives its name form Hebrew; Yerushalayim in Arabic it is called Al-Quds Located in the heart of historic Palestine, it is nestled between the West Bank and Israel. It is holy to Judaism as the site of the Temple of Jerusalem, to Christianity because of its association with Jesus (pbuh), and to Islam because of its connection with the Mi’rāj (the Prophet Muhammad’s , pbuh, ascension to Heaven) and Qibla (prayer direction) for some period. Jewish shrines include the Western Wall; Islamic holy places include the Dome of the Rock and Mosque. In 1000 BC King David (pbuh) made it the capital of Israel. Razed by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC, it thereafter enjoyed only brief periods of independence. The Romans devastated it in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE, banishing the population. From 637 it was ruled by various Muslim dynasties, except for short periods during the Crusades. Rule by the Ottoman Empire ended in 1917, and the city became the capital of the British mandate of Palestine. It was thereafter the subject of competing Zionist and Palestinian national aspirations. Israel claimed the city as its capital after the Arab-Israeli War in 1948 and took the entire city during the Six-Day War of 1967. Its status as Israel’s capital has remained a point of contention, because the Palestinians have also declared it as capital of their future state: official recognition of Israeli claim by the international community has largely been withheld pending final settlement of the issue.

The Zionist claim over Jerusalem is their own invented
interpretation of their scripture which is not accepted by Muslims and others. If they were given this land by God then why they have been repeatedly expelled and punished by God? Its a long discussion, just few quotations scriptures and excerpts form my book [ https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=F.08234c59-0111-40fd-83fa-88d92534b905 ] may suffice.
“And I will establish my covenant between me and thee (Abraham) and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee”.(Genesis;17:7).
“Now therefore, If ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:”(Exodus;19:5).

“And if you shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhors my judgments, so that you will not do all my commandments, but that you break my covenant:” (Leviticus;26:15) Children of Israel, which was despised, became a great and glorious nation under David and his son Solomon, who had goodly territory, and was doubly blessed,. His land and people were prosperous, and he was blessed with wisdom from God. His sway and his fame spread east and west. And thus promise of God with the Children of Israel was fulfilled:
“And We made a people considered weak (and of no account) inheritors of lands in both east and west lands whereon We sent down our blessings. The fair promise of the Lord was fulfilled for the children of Israel ….”(Qur’an;7:137)
Israelites Violated The Covenant:
With the passage of time the Israelites violated the Covenant, as mentioned in Bible:
1) The Israelites became unfaithful to covenant engagements (Jeremiah;3:6-8, 31:32; Ezekiel;16:59).
2) Became rebellious against God (Deuteronomy;32:15;9:7; Isaiah;1:2,Exodus;32:9)
3) They often displeased God by their sins (Numbers;25:3; Deutreronomy;32:16; 1Kings;16:2; Isaiah;1:4; 5:24-25).
4) They were punished by God for; Idolatry (Psalms;78:58-64; Isaiah;65:3-7), Unbelief (Romans;11:20), Breaking covenant (Isaiah;24:5; Jeremiah; 11:10), Transgressing the law (Isaiah;1:4; 24:5-6), Changing the ordinances (Isaiah;24:5), and Killing the prophets (Mathew;23:37-38, 27:25).
5) They were scattered among the nations (Deuteronomy;28:64; Ezekiel; 6:8; 36:19).
6) Despised by the nations (Ezekiel;36:3), their country trodden under foot by the Gentiles (Deuteronomy;28:49-52; Luke;21:24).Their house left desolate (Mathew;24:38) and were deprived of civil and religious privileges (Hosea;3:4).
Rebellion and Disbelief in Scriptures:
Rebelliousness of Jews has also been mentioned in Bible:
“And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiff necked people: (Exodus; 32:9)”
“Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiff-necked people. Remember, and forget not, how thou provokedst the LORD thy God to wrath in the wilderness: from the day that thou didst depart out of the land of Egypt, until ye came unto this place, ye have been rebellious against the LORD. Also in Horeb ye provoked the LORD to wrath, so that the LORD was angry with you to have destroyed you.” (Deuteronomy; 9:6-8)
“Likewise when the LORD sent you from Kadeshbarnea, saying, Go up and possess the land which I have given you; then ye rebelled against the commandment of the LORD your God, and ye believed him not, nor hearkened to his voice. Ye have been rebellious against the LORD from the day that I knew you.” (Deuteronomy; 9:23-24), “Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not unto the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin”: (Deuteronomy; 9:27).
Covenant Fulfilment with Abraham by Muslims:
The role of leadership of mankind to convey the message of God is now the responsibility of Muslims, God says:
“We have made you a (umuh-wasta, middle, central) middle way nation so that you may testify against mankind and that your own Messenger (Muhammad) may testify against you.” (Qur’an;2:143)
‘Shiloh’: The Real First Israeli Temple:
After the Israelite conquest of Canaan, the Tabernacle [Hebrew; ‘Mishkan’ (“dwelling”)], in Jewish history, the portable sanctuary constructed by Moses as a place of worship for the Hebrew tribes during the period of wandering that preceded their arrival in the Promised Land] and the Ark of the Covenant [The ornate, gold-plated wooden chest that in biblical times housed the two tablets of the Law given to Moses by God. The Ark rested in the Holy of Holies inside the Tabernacle] were installed in ‘Shiloh’, a Canaanite town that became the central sanctuary site of the Israelite confederacy during the Period of the Judges (12th-11th century BC). The Ark was captured by the Philistines (1050 B.C.E) and Shiloh was soon thereafter destroyed. Excavations at Khirbat Sayun, Jordan, during 1920-32 suggest that Shiloh remained a ruin for several centuries. Historically and spiritually, ‘Shiloh’ is the actual site of 1st Temple of Hebrews, not even mentioned now.
Change of Leadership role to Children of Ishmael:
God had made a Covenant with the prophets, specially mentioned are Moses and Jesus that: they (and by implication their followers) will believe and help the prophet to come (Muhammad, pbuh) whose signs were mentioned in their scriptures, which still exist in the Old Testament and New Testament.
Due to their disobedience and continuous transgression, the Children of Israel proved them to be unworthy of leadership of mankind. God in His wisdom and in fulfilment of His covenant with Abraham, shifted the ‘leadership of mankind’ form the Children of Israel to the Children of Ishmael by appointing Muhammad (peace be upon him) as His last Prophet (1st Revelation 610 C.E) for the mankind till eternity. Though already prophesized in their scriptures, some Jews and Christians accepted him as a prophet, many among the children of Israel and those claiming to be the followers of Jesus Christ declined, hence not only violated the covenant but transgressed. They are at loss by disbelieving in the Prophet and scripture.
No Inheritance to Chosen People without Good Deeds:
There is no special status for Chosen People or Chosen Race, due to inheritance only. The true faith (Eman) and good deeds are the normal criteria for reward and punishment.
Every human being is equally responsible for his/her faith and deeds. God is Just; there is one standard of justice for all the human being. No one will be wronged on the day of judgement. Faithful believers of God and true followers of His messengers will be entitled for forgiveness of sins, if God desires He may do what ever He likes.
No peace of land is permanently allotted to the ‘Chosen Race’ for ever, God fulfilled His promise despite violations and transgressions by the Children of Israel at the time of David and Solomon (10th Century B.C.E).
With the shift of leadership of mankind from the Children of Israel to the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his followers, (Children of Ishmael) the obligations, responsibilities of Covenant with Abraham along with the privileges and blessings also shifted.
Jerusalem & Muslim Rule [637-1917 C.E]
The most sacred sites in Islam are, the three mosques (houses of worship of God) ; 1) Ka’ba, 2) Prophet’s Mosque in Medina and 3) Al-Aqsa Mosque at Jerusalem. This indicates the importance Islam attaches to Monotheism (Tawhid). The site of Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is sacred to Muslims, for three main reasons: 1)The Second House of Worship of One God built by Solomon, the first one being Ka’ba, built by Abraham & Ishmael at Makka. 2): Venue of Prophet’s ascend to heaven (Mair’aj) and leading the prayer which was attended by all the prophets at this blessed place.3) The Initial Direction of Prayer (Qibla) of Muslims. Apart from their religious significance, they are also of great historical value. Sa’id bin Al-Musayyib reported from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, “You should not undertake a special journey to visit any place other than the three Mosques: the Sacred Mosque of Makkah, this mosque of mine (at Medina), and Al-Aqsa Mosque (of Jerusalem).” This is reported by Bukhari, Muslim, and Abu Dawud (Fiqh-us-Sunna, Volume 5 Number 132c). Traveling to these three mosques is prescribed because of their special position in Islam. Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said; “Prayer in the mosque of Aqsa (i.e. Bayt al-Maqdis) has a reward of fifty thousand prayers; his prayer in my mosque (the Prophet’s mosque in Medina) has a reward of fifty thousand prayers; and the prayer in the Sacred Mosque (Ka’bah) at Makkah has a reward of one hundred thousand prayers. Transmitted by Ibn Majah. (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith,752, Narrated by Anas ibn Malik).
In 637 C.E, Palestine came under the control of the Muslims, thus began the golden era of 500 years of peace and stability in Jerusalem and Palestine (The Blessed Land for all).The Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in harmony and peace. Muslims, the decedents of Abraham are adherents of true legacy of Abraham, proved themselves to be worthy of the custodianship of the heritage. Caliph Omar himself cleaned the garbage from the holy site, and the house of Worship of God (Mosque) was built in continuation of legacy, this is known as Omar Mosque near the Dome of Rock (built later in Umeyad period).
Colonization of Palestine:
In 1947, before partition of Palestine, there were 1.3 million Palestinians and 0.63 million Jews in Palestine (mostly immigrants not locals). In 1947, Palestine was partitioned by the United Nations, the ill equipped Arabs could not stand to the well trained, Zionist forces of terror, hardened in 2nd World War. By 1948, Zionist had captured 75% of Palestine. The Palestinians were expelled form their homes in distress. In 1947, Jews owned only 6% land in Palestine By the time the state was established, it had confiscated 90% of the land. Later (1967, 1973) Israelis extended their occupation to the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and even part of Lebanon. They captured but returned Sinai under a deal with Egyptians. While the miseries of Palestinians continue, there is no end to this conflict in sight. The numerous resolutions adopted by United Nations Organization have been blatantly rejected by Israel since its creation. The low intensity resistance through Intifada by Hamas continues. The disunity among PLO and Hamas on power struggle is providing good opportunities to Israel to increase the settlements for more and more land grabbing.
Reality Exposed by a Jewish Woman:
In 1999, Susan Nathan moved from the UK to Israel, taking advantage of the Jewish state’s standing offer of automatic citizenry for any Jew. Nathan soon learned that a million Israeli Arabs live in the country as well; descended from those Palestinians who refused to flee during Israel’s initial seizure of land and homes. Today, those citizens — referred to not as Palestinians but as ‘the Arabs’ by the Jewish majority — live in cramped, squalid conditions, their rights abridged, and their voices unheard in public. Many of their villages have been razed and planted over with pine forests. They are, for all intent and purposes, an invisible population.
Leaving her home and career in Tel Aviv, she moved into a small, third-story apartment in the village of Tamra, the only Jew living openly in a town of some 20,000 residents. She records her experience in her book; “The Other Side of Israel”. Nathan describes injustice piled atop injustice, as Israel’s Arab citizens struggle against ridiculous odds. She declares that ‘Israel chose the path of apartheid’ in creating its twin systems of law for Jews and non-Jews. More provocatively, she compares the current plight of Israeli Arabs with that of European Jews in the 1930s.
Watching a film about the Holocaust, she takes in the scenes of Jews being driven from their ghettos and remarks, ‘I could not help but see a parallel with what had happened to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians only three years after the Holocaust.’ [A short review of her book is attached as Appendix IV]
Warning for Muslims:
Keeping in view the history of Children of Israel, and their own history, the Muslims have to be conscious to prove themselves to be worthy of these great responsibilities. As long as they adhere to the guidance provided by God thorough Qur’an and traditions of the Last Prophet (pbuh), they lead the world, but when ever they faltered, they were entitled for divine punishment in various forms:
“And how many a community revolted against the ordinance of its Lord and His messenger, and we called it to a stern account and punished it with dire punishment”(Qur’an;65:68).
“Corruption doth appear on land and sea because of (the evil) which men’s hands have done, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return” (Qur’an;30:41).
However there is always a group among them who remain on the right path and endeavour to keep others along too.
Muslims Revived the Legacy of Abraham:
History is witness to the fact that the Muslims became the world leader with in short span of time. They were given the control on the Promised Land, rebuilt the house of worship near the original site of ‘Solomon’s House of worship of God’, the site sacred to Muslims as well. In 750 the author of book ‘Miracles of Rabi Shamoun Bin Youhai’ call the Dome of The Rock as beginning of messianic age, while praising the Muslim Caliph, he says; ‘This Jew loving ruler has ended the disrespect to Zion and the Temple. The Caliph has cleaned the Moriah and built the mosque at the rock of Temple.’ [‘Jerusalem: One City Three Faiths’ by Karin Armstrong]
Reality Exposed by a Jewish Woman:
In 1999, Susan Nathan moved from the UK to Israel, taking advantage of the Jewish state’s standing offer of automatic citizenry for any Jew. Nathan soon learned that a million Israeli Arabs live in the country as well; descended from those Palestinians who refused to flee during Israel’s initial seizure of land and homes. Today, those citizens — referred to not as Palestinians but as ‘the Arabs’ by the Jewish majority — live in cramped, squalid conditions, their rights abridged, and their voices unheard in public. Many of their villages have been razed and planted over with pine forests. They are, for all intent and purposes, an invisible population.
Leaving her home and career in Tel Aviv, she moved into a small, third-story apartment in the village of Tamra, the only Jew living openly in a town of some 20,000 residents. She records her experience in her book; “The Other Side of Israel”. Nathan describes injustice piled atop injustice, as Israel’s Arab citizens struggle against ridiculous odds. She declares that ‘Israel chose the path of apartheid’ in creating its twin systems of law for Jews and non-Jews. More provocatively, she compares the current plight of Israeli Arabs with that of European Jews in the 1930s.
Watching a film about the Holocaust, she takes in the scenes of Jews being driven from their ghettos and remarks, ‘I could not help but see a parallel with what had happened to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians only three years after the Holocaust.’ [A short review of her book is attached as Appendix IV]
Warning for Muslims:
Keeping in view the history of Children of Israel, and their own history, the Muslims have to be conscious to prove themselves to be worthy of these great responsibilities. As long as they adhere to the guidance provided by God thorough Qur’an and traditions of the Last Prophet (pbuh), they lead the world, but when ever they faltered, they were entitled for divine punishment in various forms:
“And how many a community revolted against the ordinance of its Lord and His messenger, and we called it to a stern account and punished it with dire punishment”(Qur’an;65:68).
“Corruption doth appear on land and sea because of (the evil) which men’s hands have done, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return” (Qur’an;30:41).
However there is always a group among them who remain on the right path and endeavour to keep others along too.
Muslims Revived the Legacy of Abraham:
History is witness to the fact that the Muslims became the world leader with in short span of time. They were given the control on the Promised Land, rebuilt the house of worship near the original site of ‘Solomon’s House of worship of God’, the site sacred to Muslims as well. In 750 the author of book ‘Miracles of Rabi Shamoun Bin Youhai’ call the Dome of The Rock as beginning of messianic age, while praising the Muslim Caliph, he says; ‘This Jew loving ruler has ended the disrespect to Zion and the Temple. The Caliph has cleaned the Moriah and built the mosque at the rock of Temple.’ [‘Jerusalem: One City Three Faiths’ by Karin Armstrong]
Reality Exposed by a Jewish Woman:
In 1999, Susan Nathan moved from the UK to Israel, taking advantage of the Jewish state’s standing offer of automatic citizenry for any Jew. Nathan soon learned that a million Israeli Arabs live in the country as well; descended from those Palestinians who refused to flee during Israel’s initial seizure of land and homes. Today, those citizens — referred to not as Palestinians but as ‘the Arabs’ by the Jewish majority — live in cramped, squalid conditions, their rights abridged, and their voices unheard in public. Many of their villages have been razed and planted over with pine forests. They are, for all intent and purposes, an invisible population.
Leaving her home and career in Tel Aviv, she moved into a small, third-story apartment in the village of Tamra, the only Jew living openly in a town of some 20,000 residents. She records her experience in her book; “The Other Side of Israel”. Nathan describes injustice piled atop injustice, as Israel’s Arab citizens struggle against ridiculous odds. She declares that ‘Israel chose the path of apartheid’ in creating its twin systems of law for Jews and non-Jews. More provocatively, she compares the current plight of Israeli Arabs with that of European Jews in the 1930s.
Watching a film about the Holocaust, she takes in the scenes of Jews being driven from their ghettos and remarks, ‘I could not help but see a parallel with what had happened to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians only three years after the Holocaust.’ [A short review of her book is attached as Appendix IV]
Warning for Muslims:
Keeping in view the history of Children of Israel, and their own history, the Muslims have to be conscious to prove themselves to be worthy of these great responsibilities. As long as they adhere to the guidance provided by God thorough Qur’an and traditions of the Last Prophet (pbuh), they lead the world, but when ever they faltered, they were entitled for divine punishment in various forms:
“And how many a community revolted against the ordinance of its Lord and His messenger, and we called it to a stern account and punished it with dire punishment”(Qur’an;65:68).
“Corruption doth appear on land and sea because of (the evil) which men’s hands have done, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return” (Qur’an;30:41).
However there is always a group among them who remain on the right path and endeavour to keep others along too.
Muslims Revived the Legacy of Abraham:
History is witness to the fact that the Muslims became the world leader with in short span of time. They were given the control on the Promised Land, rebuilt the house of worship near the original site of ‘Solomon’s House of worship of God’, the site sacred to Muslims as well. In 750 the author of book ‘Miracles of Rabi Shamoun Bin Youhai’ call the Dome of The Rock as beginning of messianic age, while praising the Muslim Caliph, he says; ‘This Jew loving ruler has ended the disrespect to Zion and the Temple. The Caliph has cleaned the Moriah and built the mosque at the rock of Temple.’ [‘Jerusalem: One City Three Faiths’ by Karin Armstrong]
Sham Arguments for Colonization of Palestine:
However no one may be allowed to impose their will on the pretext of being ‘Chosen Race’ or ‘Chosen People’, having divine right to colonize “Promised, Holy or Blessed Land” on the basis of their scriptures, modified to suit their self interests. No such claim is proven to exist now in the Last Scripture. It is evident from above that there is no religious justification even according to the Bible read in the light of Qur’an, for Zionists to lay any claim on Jerusalem and Palestine. God is Just; He had fulfilled His Promise to the Children of Israel in 10th century B.C.E in the period of King and Prophet David and Solomon (peace be upon them) and thereafter. Due to their rebellion and transgression mentioned in Bible, Qur’an and evident from their conduct even now, God has assigned the role to Muslims, to pass the message of God to the humanity. The mosque and Dome of the Rock was built on the site abandoned since 70 CE, cleared of garbage by the Muslims. They did not destroy any temple, rather built the house of worship of One God, the same Supreme God of Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). So there is no reason to claim it form Muslims even on the basis of historic continuity after 2 K or 1.4 K years.
If such claims are to be accepted, then Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years [expelled under coercion and inquisition], India for almost 1000 years, Greece and parts of Europe for 400 years, central Asian countries for centuries and so on, the list is long. Will European and USA support Muslims to get back these lands by use of force, especially Spain, as done in the case of Israel?
Geopolitics Under the Cover of Religion:
This is geopolitics in play under the cover of religion which should be tackled accordingly. The situation on ground is that Israel with full support of USA and West has not only established itself but is expanding the area under occupation at the cost of Palestinians through settlements. Presently the Arab and Muslims world is not militarily strong enough to get the area vacated by force; they are embroiled in their own disputes and problems. So what should be done? Should the Muslims Ummah and the Palestinians accept Israeli hegemonic designs and occupation to live as slaves in their own land? No self respecting individual and especially a Muslim will ever accept it.
Conclusion:
This short review of the most complex geopolitical and religious issue, in the light of Bible, Qur’an & History bring us to conclusion that an urgent solution has to be found before its too late. Mr.Barak Obama, the US President has undertaken an initiative to make an effort to bridge the gulf between the Muslim world and the West (Christians). While emphasizing the US-Israeli friendship, he did not hesitate to talk about establishment of Palestinian state. This statement has been taken with a pinch of salt in Israel.
The people oppressed by powerful colonial forces have no choice but to struggle for their rights and independence. Islam does not encourage violence but it urges its adherents to strive against oppression. Jihad (striving in the cause of God, with all means) in true sense is applicable to Palestinians; there is complete consensus among all the Islamic scholars on this. Even by normal standards of a civilized society, this is the war of liberation thrust upon the Palestinians by the Zionists with full support of their colonial masters. It is obligatory upon the Muslims, that they should extend all sort of political, moral, diplomatic and material support to their Palestinian brothers in this just cause, through their respective governments.
The present half hearted effort is not enough. Arabs and Muslims world should think of other options and measures, which should hit the economic and political interests of Zionist and their supporters. These actions should be well planned and well coordinated to be result oriented. The Organization of the Islamic Conference, (OIC), [Munazamat Al-Mu`Tamir Al-Islami], the biggest forum of Muslim countries need to play effective role. This will ultimately result in creating suitable conditions to bring the aggressor on table for equitable, peaceful settlement of the issue, acceptable to Palestinians and Muslims.
If the OIC and the governments of Muslims countries don’t meet their obligations, then people have to exert pressure upon their governments through various peaceful means, like protests, and demonstrations. In no case non-state groups, individuals or political parties should be allowed to hijack this noble peaceful endeavour for their own agenda and interests. It is hoped that people of any faith, with character, courage and moral values will come forward to mobilize the pubic opinion.
Renowned Indian scholar, Maulana Wahiduddin Khan suggests a [temporary] peaceful solution to the issue of worship at Jerusalem [paving the way for final peaceful settlement], by separating the issue of worship from that of political supremacy. He draws support of his argument from the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) by applying the principle of ‘Al-fasl bayn al-qaziyatayn’ [The details are attached Appendix-V]
Though there have been set backs, 1.5 Billons Muslims, almost one fifth of humanity, still continue to enjoy an important position in the world, they are geostrategically located at the important population and communication centers, rich in natural resources, backed by history of great civilization. By turning back to the teachings of Qur’an and Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh), they can again achieve ascendancy in knowledge, with hard work and firmness in faith they can regain the lost ground, so important for the stability of this planet and the world peace. The present turmoil resulting in to killing of Muslims by fellow Muslims on the name of Islam is neither part of teaching of Qur’an nor the Sunnah (traditions) of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It appears to be enjoying the covert support of major power players. Any action leading to the weakening of Muslim states will serve the cause of enemies of Islam only.
“Allah never changes the condition of a people until they intend to change it themselves”(Qur’an;13:11).
Despite all the propaganda unleashed through the biased media, Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe and North America, because Muslims are conveying the message of God to the humanity through peaceful preaching:
“There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has been made clearly distinct from error. And he who rejects power of evil and believes in God has grasped a firm handhold which will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.”(Qur’an;2:256)
“It is He who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is God for a Witness”.(Qur’an;48:28).
“Praise be to God Who has revealed the Book (Qur’an) to His servant (Muhammad) and did not make it complicated. It is straightforward so that He may warn about the terrible punishment for the unbelievers from Him and give good news to the believers who do good deeds that they shall have a goodly reward,”(Qur’an;18:1-2).
Palestine is the most complex geopolitical and religious issue, confronted by the humanity, which if left unresolved will continue to pose major threat to the world peace. This historic flashpoint which kicked off the clash of civilizations, centuries ago, still has the potentials to flare up to repeat the history with unpredictable terrible consequences.
While the followers of three Abrahamic faiths; Judaism, Christianity and Islam have the historic, religious, emotional and sentimental attachments with this land, no sane person can agree to deny the right of the Palestinian people as human being to enjoy the fruits of freedom in their own land in this era of freedom and democracy.
Abujak

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John, on August 28th, 2009 at 7:26 am Said:

Abujak:
Netanyahu is jewish, Jerusalem is a Jewish Holy City! It was Originally Known as as Salem and The king was Adonizedek.
The city was built on two mountains, Zion and Moriah. The uppur city and th lower vity. There can be as many pages written and as much retionalization as any one wants but it does not change the fact that it is a Jewish Holy City. Netanyahu will not give it away.
I assume you would also give Manhattan back to the Indians.

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Abujak, on August 29th, 2009 at 7:05 am Said:

John!
You are very right Netanyahu is jewish, I may add that he is free to say what ever he likes. He can tomorrow claim Iraq also because Ur, Mesopotamia, the original place to which Abraham [peace be upon him] belonged to. And also the Arabian peninsula, where the decedents of eldest son of Abraham live. There is no end…. This logic can be applied by any one in the world… Muslims can claim Iberian peninsula, Spain, Portugal, Turks can claim Greece and Balkans and Mongolia can lay a claim to the Central Asia, part of Arabia , India. Greece can lay counter claim on what ever Alexandr had conquered. There will be no end……. Even colonization of Asia and Africa had very good logic — to civilize the barbarian people, by exploiting their land and resources.
Ok let Netanyahu can have the Cake…. if he can digest it for long….
No one cares what Netanyahu or any other oppressor says,let us look at the history…. Jerusalem existed before it was taken by David around 1000 BC. God fulfilled His promise then, its over. Below is an extract from Wikepedia::::::::
Main article: History of Jerusalem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

Jebusite wall, City of David
Ceramic evidence indicates the occupation of Ophel, within present-day Jerusalem, as far back as the Copper Age, c. 4th millennium BCE,[5][24] with evidence of a permanent settlement during the early Bronze Age, c. 3000-2800 BCE.[24][25] The Execration Texts (c. 19th century BCE), which refer to a city called Roshlamem or Rosh-ramen[24] and the Amarna letters (c. 14th century BCE) may be the earliest mention of the city.[26][27] Some archaeologists, including Kathleen Kenyon, believe Jerusalem[28] as a city was founded by West Semitic people with organized settlements from around 2600 BCE.

According to Jewish tradition the city was founded by Shem and Eber, ancestors of Abraham. In the biblical account, when first mentioned, Jerusalem (known as “Salem”) is ruled by Melchizedek, an ally of Abraham (identified with Shem in legend). Later, in the time of Joshua, Jerusalem was in territory allocated to the tribe of Benjamin (Joshua 18:28) but it continued to be under the independent control of the Jebusites until it was conquered by David and made into the capital of the united Kingdom of Israel (c. 1000s BCE).

The Real Agenda- Future Plans of Zionists:

Some recorded historic statements by the Israeli Zionist leaders appended below are self explanatory.
1 “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
2 “We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora.” Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949.
3 “The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill — From the Nile to the Euphrates.” Bin Gurion
4 “Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence.” Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist organizations), Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish People or Jewish Problem).
5 “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
6 “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
7 “Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population – an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs…” Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.
8 “A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing.” Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923
9 “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
10 “We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
11 “Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.” Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
12 “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
Reality Exposed by a Jewish Woman:
In 1999, Susan Nathan moved from the UK to Israel, taking advantage of the Jewish state’s standing offer of automatic citizenry for any Jew. Nathan soon learned that a million Israeli Arabs live in the country as well; descended from those Palestinians who refused to flee during Israel’s initial seizure of land and homes. Today, those citizens — referred to not as Palestinians but as ‘the Arabs’ by the Jewish majority — live in cramped, squalid conditions, their rights abridged, and their voices unheard in public. Many of their villages have been razed and planted over with pine forests. They are, for all intent and purposes, an invisible population.
Leaving her home and career in Tel Aviv, she moved into a small, third-story apartment in the village of Tamra, the only Jew living openly in a town of some 20,000 residents. She records her experience in her book; “The Other Side of Israel”. Nathan describes injustice piled atop injustice, as Israel’s Arab citizens struggle against ridiculous odds. She declares that ‘Israel chose the path of apartheid’ in creating its twin systems of law for Jews and non-Jews. More provocatively, she compares the current plight of Israeli Arabs with that of European Jews in the 1930s.
Watching a film about the Holocaust, she takes in the scenes of Jews being driven from their ghettos and remarks, ‘I could not help but see a parallel with what had happened to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians only three years after the Holocaust.

Let us not forget John, Palestinians are not isolated, primitive Red Indians or Aborigines of Australia, moreover this is not 16 or 17th century.
Netanyahu and other Zionists must accept to honorably accommodate the people of land, the Palestinians if they really want to live in peace.

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John, on August 29th, 2009 at 7:20 am Said:

Abujak,
You might as well give it up man. It doesn’t matter how many words you type or how long your posts are, the fact is it’s not land the Arabs/Palestinians want. It’s the total annialation of Jews. That doesn’t make any sense. You have a place to live Irael gave back some land they had taken. You don’t just want Isreael destroyed you want all infedels destroyed also. If you got what you are asking for now it you still wouldn’t stop so why give you anything? The Nation of Islam will not be happy until there are only Muslims left.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 29th, 2009 at 10:13 am Said:

John, Thank you for your comments in reply to Abujak as his comments are long and convaluted. One thought that continues to surface in my mind is why do Muslims, i.e., Islam for the most part continue to act on their “Kill the Infidel” agenda?

Abujak, Thank you for your comments and opinion here too.

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John, on August 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am Said:

They are taught to kill the infidel from birth, that is what the Koran teaches. If you aint muslim you ain’t nuthing. There again It is the devils influence on the decendents of Ishmael.

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Abujak, on August 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm Said:

Dear Jhon & the Girl!
I am not disappointed from the false impression created against Muslims having no authenticity at all. These are mere statements, without any basis made with the prejudice and biased minds.
It is wrongly propagated that Qur’an encourages violence against non believers, rather contrary is true, it is mentioned: “It may be that God will ordain love between you and those of them with whom you are at enmity. God is Mighty, and God is Forgiving, Merciful. God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who had neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable. God only forbids you to make friendship with those who fought you on account of your faith and drove you out of your homes and backed up others in your expulsion. Those who will take them for friends are indeed the wrongdoers.”(Qur’an;60:7-9).

Islam only forbids Muslims to take unbelievers as ‘protecting friends’ (those making mockery of faith, Qur’an;5:51,87). Only God, his messenger and true believers are their ‘protecting friends’ (Qur’an;5:55, 56).

Protection and Fair Treatment of Non Muslims:
Islam, while upholding balanced views in general, enjoins the most solicitous care for the weak and oppressed. The minorities, especially ‘The People of The Book’ are to be treated with justice in every way-in rights of property, in social rights, and in the right to opportunities of development. The non-Muslim living under the protection of a Muslim state is referred as Dhimmi, a free non-Muslim subject. They are exempt from duties of Islam like military service and zakat, instead they are required to pay jizyah (poll-tax). Historically some Islamic governments paid this poll tax for poor non-Muslim subjects or reduced it to mere symbolic tax. If the State cannot protect those who paid jizyah, then the amount they paid is returned to them. Islam guarantees full protection and security of the State including freedom of religion to all. The killing of innocent people is strictly prohibited, according to Qur’an: “..if anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew the life of all mankind: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear Signs yet even after that many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”(Qur’an;5:32). Narrated Abdullah bin Amr : The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”(Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith:9.49).

Please read and know about Islam and Muslims yourself, the facts are totally different to the propaganda. During centuries of Muslim rule the Christians and Jews enjoyed privileged status as “People of Scripture”. Jews has the best of time in Muslim Spain.

Many misconceptions exist in the West (representing Christianity) about Islam and Muslims, which were deliberately created by their clergy and medieval rulers to disguise the true message of Islam to justify their hostility towards Islam. Allah says: “Surely the only (true) religion in the sight of God is (man’s) self surrender unto Him (Islam): Those who (formerly) received the Scripture differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. They should know that God is swift in calling to account those who deny His revelations.”(Qur’an;3:19). W. Montgomery Watt, a Western scholar observed: ‘Among the world’s major religions it is certainly Islam that the West has the most difficulty in approaching objectively. The reason for this are rooted in past history. Because of the crusades in the 12th and 13th centuries many people in the West wanted the religion of Islam to be better known. But the image they portrayed of Islam can quite accurately be qualified as ‘distorted’. Western opinion about Islam and Muslims was based for centuries on the distorted image’. The major misconceptions created in the minds of westerners against Islam and Muslims may be summed up as: (1) The God of Islam is different to the God of Jews and Christians, (2) He is a ruthless God, urging Muslims to kill any one not believing in their faith; (3) Muslims are pagans who worship a black cubical structure at Makkah, (4) The Prophet of Islam was a warrior and conqueror who did not believe in the human rights and preached violence; (5) Islam was spread with the sword; (6) The scripture of Islam is based on the Old and New Testaments; (7) The women are treated as subhuman by the Muslims; polygamy and veil are to exploit the women, they have no human rights; (8) The Islamic Law (Shari’a) is very harsh, is based on strict punishment without meeting the requirements of justice; it awards flogging, cutting of hand and stoning to death, all primitive laws of ancient times. (9) Muslims hate the Western values, considering them as thereat, hence they have resorted to terrorism as a means to undermine and destroy Western values so that they can enforce their values on the West.
Causes of Growth of Delusions: The events which contributed towards growth of these delusions are numerous, however most prominent are: (1) The fall of territories of Christendom around Arabia, (2) The Crusaders; (3) The fall of remnants of Byzantine Empire at the hand of Muslims; (4) The conquest of Spain and Muslim rule for eight centuries; (5) The westward expansion of Ottoman Empire, (6) The besiege of Vienna twice; (7) Colonization of most of Muslim world by the Western powers and resistance by Muslims to gain independence; (8) The resurgence of Islam, specially the militancy against Western negative attitude, unjust creation and support of Israel, oppression of Muslims at Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Muslims with in their societies and other countries. (9) To control the large natural resources especially oil, gas and strategically important centers of population, zones and trade routes held by Muslims, a bogy has to be created to subdue them. (10) The materialism has eroded Western values, the Islamic values and culture based on the eternal truth is attracting the Westerns in great numbers, hence Islam is perceived as a threat. (11) After demise of communism with the help of Muslims, Western gigantic military industrial complex need an enemy and market for their military hardware, so a new battle ground have been created against Muslims. The old spirit of snobbery and prejudice, the hatred of Islam, displays it self in writings, in electronic and print media attacks, internet chat rooms, private conversations and in public speeches. The spirit of persecution is not dead in Christianity, after lying dormant for some timeTHE REALITY:
Muslims Worship Same One Supreme God and Believe in All Biblical Messengers of God till Jesus Christ:
It is contemplated that a careful in-depth study may help in removing most of the ideological misunderstandings and misconceptions: It is well known fact that the God of Muslims is the same God, the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, Jews, Christians, the God of all the people and the universe (Qura’n;112:1, Deuteronomy;6:4, Isaiah;43:11, 45:5, 46:9, Mark;12:29). Muslims believe in all these messengers, prophets and the scriptures revealed to them. Allah says: “To you, (O Muhammad), We have revealed this Book (Qur’an) with the truth. It confirms whatever has remained intact in the scriptures which came before it (Torah, Psalms, Gospel and others) and also to safeguard it. Therefore, judge between people according to Allah’s revelations and do not yield to their vain desires diverging from the truth which has come to you. We have ordained a law and a Way of life for each of you. If Allah wanted He could have made all of you a single nation. But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you; therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to Allah; then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you dispute.”(Qur’an;5:48); “Do not argue with the People of the Book except in good taste – except with those who are wicked among them – and say: “We believe in that which is sent down to us and that which is sent down to you; Our God and your God is the same One God, and unto Him we surrender.”(Qur’an;29:46). Due to common root of faith, that is the faith of Abraham, there are obvious commonalities in the revealed scriptures of Judaism, Christianity and Islam (Bible and Qur’an) as their source is the same God. The perversion of their scriptures was condemned by God:” And , behold , there are indeed some among them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, so as to make you think that (what they say) is from Scripture, the while it is not from the Scripture; and who say,” This is form God,” the while its not from God: and thus do they tell a lie about God, being ell aware(that it is a lie) (Qur’an;3:78).“O People of the Book! Why do you confound the truth with falsehood and knowingly conceal the truth?”(Qur’an;3:71).
The Christian and Jewish scholars changed the world of God in contravention to the commandment of God, in the same Bible: “Ye shall not add unto the word which I (God) command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy; 4:2). “It is not possible for a man whom Allah has given the Book, the Wisdom and the Prophethood that he would say to the people: “Worship me instead of Allah.” On the contrary he would say: “Be devoted worshippers of your God in accordance with the Holy Book you have been teaching and reading.” He would never ask you to take angels and prophets as your lords. Would he ask you to become unbelievers after you have become Muslims (believers)?” (Qur’an;3:79-80). While the Old and New Testaments are not in its original form, Qur’an the last scripture is available in its original form even today because Allah has Himself taken responsibility to guard it against corruption: “Surely We have revealed the reminder (Qur’an) and We will most certainly guard it (from corruption).”(Qur’an;15:9).. The Islamic law is based on Qur’an and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), some punishment of Law of Moses have been retained while others were relaxed, they provide the best form of justice where ever put in to practice. Muslims worship only One God, they face towards Qibla (the direction) the Ka’bah for unity. Islam accords much batter position to women than mentioned in Bible. The women are highly respected in Islam while they have been made a show piece in the West on the name of equality and freedom.
it is out fully ablaze.
Special Status of People of the Book in Islam: In an Islamic state the legal dictum about the People of the Book is; “They have our rights and owe our duties.” They are equally eligible to social security and other benefits the state provides. Muslims were warned against acts of bigotry or prejudice towards the People of the Book, and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself said, “Whoever hurts a person from the People of the Book it will be as though he hurt me personally.” Muslims are prohibited to eat the food of non believers and to marry their women but there is a special exception for the People of the Book.(Qura’n;5:5).
In 1492, the Jews along with Muslims were expelled from Spain; they were welcomed and settled in the Ottoman empire. In his book My People (also produced as a TV series), Mr. Aba Eban, Israeli scholar, historian and former foreign secretary, stated the Jews in two episodes during their history were treated justly, once in Muslim Spain and the second, currently, in the United States of America. The great Maimonides was the student of the Islamic philosopher Ibn Rushd (Averroes) of Cordova, and later, when he moved to Egypt, he was the personal physician of Salahuddin (Saladin, of Crusades’ ). Revival of this era of mutual peace and cooperation can again be mutually beneficial.

Islam has a special place for the Juedo-Christian civilisations, due to common ancestor –Abraham. In the Islamic world the Jews, and Christians, and others lived in safety and justice under a system based upon tolerance and cooperation. The misconceptions about Islam have been created to justify their hostility towards Islam. Islam is not a threat to the West, which owes it renaissance and scientific developments to the Islamic scholarship, gained through Muslim Spain. However the Muslim world feels threatened by the West, who wants to control their natural resources. Historically, the relation between Muslims and Jews had its fluctuations but not that Islam harbored animosity to Judaism as a faith but in their failure to practice the commandments of God in true spirit under the notion of their racial superiority as a chosen race, the honour God ultimately shifted to the Children of Isma’il by appointing Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the last messenger for the humanity. The Advent of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has been prophesied in the Bible, but they concealed it. They are commanded to believe in the last scripture Qur’an and the last Prophet. The confrontation between Judaism and Islam, as that with Christianity, was colored by political and social considerations both before and after Islam spread from Arabia to build a world wide community of its followers. In 1492, the Jews along with Muslims were expelled from Spain; they were welcomed and settled in the Ottoman Empire. Jews (Zionists) have gained power and influence through USA and the West, which they are using to oppress the Palestinians, the main cause of conflict and threat to peace. Islam is the only faith other than Christianity which regards Jesus in very high esteem. Muslims believe in Jesus and his Mission as he himself attributed to have declared in Mathew;5:17-20. Islamic civilization has significant contribution in the development of West through the Influence of Islamic learning. Keeping the commonalities in Abrahamic faith, as worshipers of same one God, a dialogue can bring them closer for world peace and mutual benefit. In the words of Duncan Greenless, the renowned Western scholar, “The nobility and broad minded tolerance of this creed (Islam) which accepted as God inspire all the real religions of the world will always s be glorious heritage of mankind”.

At the end I would again request you to please read your self and decide, God has blessed you excellent mind and thinking power, don’t be deduced by the wrong propaganda. Visit following links to find out what Islam is in reality. Dont get away with the acts of some illiterate desperate people maligning the name of Islam, they even kill those Muslims who do not agree with their brand of violent Islam.

Abujak
http://endeavour-peace.page.tl
https://faithforum.wordpress.com
http://librere.wordpress.com
Qur’an for Equitable Treatment of Non Muslims: http://wp.me/pCgrB-12

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm Said:

Abujak, Once again, that is a lot of information. You mention, God, Allah, and Muhammed. Which is it you follow?

Thanks for commenting.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 29th, 2009 at 2:41 pm Said:

So far and mostly, those inflicting harm and terror on others within their own country and around the world have been and are (with the exception of domestic terrorist with sympathies to Islam and Muslims which, so far statistically speaking (the devil is in the numbers)) have been and are, young Muslim Islamic Extremist’s coming straight out of the middle east.
What the World has witnessed are cowardly acts toward law abiding citizens, going about their daily business when the Muslim Islamic Extremist’s decide they want to play.
Their violence is against noncombatants (civilians) for the purpose of gaining publicity for their group/agenda and they deliberately target peoples with disregard to the safety of civilians.
Now, if Islam/Muslims want to change this image a suggestion would be to stop doing any and all of the above acts and after about 100 to 200 years the rest of the world might could come to the table and agree to disagree, peacefully of course.

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John, on August 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm Said:

Abujak, I didn’t mention all that I don’t know what you are Talking about . I follow the risen Christ, the Son of the Living God.
You are most wecome to worship who ever you want to. I reserve the right to say your are wrong but I would defend your right to do that. Why can’t Christians and Jews Be afforded the same right under Shira Law?

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Abujak, on August 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm Said:

Now moving to an other track.. I worship the same God, the God of Jesus Christ, the God Jesus Christ worshiped, the God of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David Jesus, the God of Universe.
“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.”(Psalms;14:1). His being the sole object of worship in heaven and earth.(Nehemia;9:6; Mathew;4:10).
“And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you want to enter into life, keep the Commandments.”(Mathew;19:17).
. “Say: He is God the One and Only; God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being ; He begets not, and neither is He begotten; And there is nothing that can be compared with Him.”(Qur’an;112:1-4).“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord”(Moses, Deuteronomy;6:4; Jesus,Mark;12:29). “Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee,”(2 Samuel;7:22),

I pray to same God, Jesus prayed:
“Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and said unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder”.(Mathew;26:36, 26:39). The disciples of Jesus also offered prayers: “Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour”.(Acts; 3:1, 10:9, 12:12, 16:13, 16:25, 20:36, Luke; 22: 44-46, Mark; 1:35 & 9:29). Abraham offered prayer: “And Abram fell on his face:”(Genesis; 17:3-5),

Now your 2nd point about Shria law, It is for those who surrender themselves to God [Allah]. Christians donot follow the Revealed LAw of Moses, [called Shaia of Moses]. Paul said:“But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.” (Romans; 7:6).
So if you do not follow the law about which Jesus said: “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”(Mathew;5:17-20).
Muslims follow same law which Jesus followed, with some relaxations, restrictions lifted by God which were specially for Jews as punishment to Jews. Islamic Law
has tow parts, how to offer prayer, and perform other rituals, and the criminal law like, stoning by death for adultery like in Bible, would you like to be governed by this law? Ok if so you are welcomed. Jews and Christians enjoy prevelages in ISslam, they don’t have to serve in Army, and do not pay 2.5% Zakah, Compulsory Charity like Muslims. Instead they pay protection money or tax to state called Jazyah. In Israel the Arab Muslims are not allowed to join Israeli Army. In an Islamic state if people want to be governed by their own religious law fine or they can choose Islamic Law.
A Brief is enclosed for your information:
SHARI’A-THE ISLAMIC LAW & LEGAL SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT :
HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE:
The peaceful coexistence is the basic requirement of any community for its survival, development and expansion. Law, may be defined as the discipline concerned with the customs, practices, and rules of conduct of a community that are recognized as binding by the community. The enforcement of the body of rules is through a controlling authority. Total and unqualified submission to the will of Allah is the fundamental tenet of Islam: Islamic law is therefore the expression of Allah’s command for Muslim society and, in application, constitutes a system of duties that are incumbent upon a Muslim by virtue of his religious belief. Known as the Shari’ah (the path leading to the watering place), the Islamic law constitutes a divinely ordained path of conduct, that guides the Muslim toward a practical expression of his religious conviction (rituals) and all aspects of life (social, economic, political etc) in this world and the goal of divine favour in the world to come.
Roman Law : The Western Civilization has been following Roman Law and its derivatives. Romans considered ritual law (fas) to be God-given and social law (lex) as man-made. Hence it dealt with matters of succession (who was to inherit what), obligations (including contracts, such as loans, entered into by individuals), property and possessions, and persons (which included family, slaves, and citizenship). The Roman law, as a legal system and as basis for the law codes has affected the development of law in most of Western civilization as well as in parts of the East. It was the law of ancient Rome from the time of the founding of the city of Rome in 753 BC until the fall of the Western Empire. However it remained in use in the Eastern, or Byzantine, Empire until 1453 C.E.
The Biblilc Law: The Old Testament include the Law given by God through Moses, commonly referred as Mosaic Law, which was also confirmed by Jesus by saying: “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”(Mathew;5:17-20 also the Beatitudes, Matthew; 5:3-12 and the Lord’s Prayer Matthew; 6:9-13). However Paul changed by saying; “BUT NOW WE ARE DISCHARGED FROM THE LAW, DEAD to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.”(Romans;7:6). The New Testament lays down the general principles of good government, but contains no code of laws for the punishment of offenders: “For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”(Romans;13:9). Punishment proceeds on the principle that there is an eternal distinction between right and wrong, and that this distinction must be maintained for its own sake. It is not primarily intended for the reformation of criminals, nor for the purpose of deterring others from sin. These results may be gained, but crime in itself demands punishment.
The Jewish law (Talmudic Law and Jurisprudence) is considered to be of ‘divine’ origin. Thus, for example, unfairness in labour relations was considered a religious sin and caring for the sick a religious obligation. Though familiar with the concept of natural law (ethical principles inherent in the nature of things and apprehensible through human reason), the rabbis objected to making nature the basis of law. Even rabbinic ordinances were regarded as having validity only because the authority of the rabbis is sanctioned by the Torah. This however remained the personal law for Jews for centuries, being a minority in various countries. With the rebirth of a Jewish national state (1948) and the connected revival of Jewish culture, the Talmud has achieved renewed importance. Orthodox Jewry has always focused upon its study and has believed it to be the absolute Halakhic (”practice,” “rules of conduct”) authority. This belief has now become even further intensified. While rabbinic courts in Israel have jurisdiction only in the area of family life, it has become one of the aims of religious (Orthodox) Jewry there to establish Talmudic law as the general law of the state.
Canon Law : In Christianity, the Churches followed Canon Law which in its wider sense includes precepts of divine law, natural or positive, incorporated in various canonical collections or codes; may be defined as that body of rules and regulations (canons) concerning the behaviour and actions of individuals and institutions within certain Christian churches, which have, through proper priestly authority, defined and codified such rules. Canon law has had a long history of development throughout the Christian Era. Not a static body of laws, it reflects social, political, economic, cultural, and ecclesiastical changes that have taken place in the past two millennia. During periods of social and cultural upheaval the church has not remained unaffected by its environment. Thus, canon law may be expected to be involved in the far-reaching changes that have come to be anticipated in the modern world. The Western Civilization separated the religion form state, by declaring the religion to be personal matter of individual and initially depended on Roman Law, later on Civil Law, also called ROMANO GERMANIC LAW, the law of continental Europe, based on an admixture of Roman, Germanic, ecclesiastical, feudal, commercial, and customary law. European civil law has been adopted in much of Latin America as well as in parts of Asia and Africa and is to be distinguished from the common law of the Anglo-American countries. The Common law is the system of laws originated and developed in England and based on court decisions, on the doctrines implicit in those decisions, and on customs and usages rather than on codified written laws.
ISLAMIC LAW (SHARI’A) :
Since Islam is a complete code of life covering all aspects including social, economic, political, military and other aspects of human life, hence the Islamic law (Shari’a) spells out the moral goals of the community, where state and religion are not separate entity. In Islamic society, therefore, the term law has a wider significance than it does in the modern secular West, because Islamic law includes both legal and moral imperatives. For the same reason, not all-Islamic laws can be stated as formal legal rules or enforced by the courts. Much of it depends on conscience alone. The Shari’a duties are broadly divided into those that an individual owes to Allah (the ritual practices or ‘ibadat) and those that he owes to his fellow men (mu’amalat). It is the latter category of duties alone, constituting law in the Western sense, that is penal law. The other laws include; offenses against the person, homicide, law of transactions, family law, succession law, procedure and evidence etc. The Qur’anic revelations laid down basic standards of conduct for the first Muslim community established under the leadership of the Prophet (peace be upon him) at Medina in 622 C.E. The Qur’an is the book of guidance for the believers, it also lay down the parameters of legal code. The Qur’an contains about ninety verses directly and specifically addressing questions of law. Islamic legal discourse refers to these verses as Allah’s law and incorporates them into legal codes. The remainder of Islamic law is the result of jurisprudence (fiqh), human efforts to codify Islamic norms in practical terms and legislate for cases not specifically dealt with in the Qur’an and Sunnah. Although human generated legislation is considered fallible and open to revision, the term Shari’a is sometimes applied to all Islamic legislation. Modern scholars have however challenged this claim, distinguishing between Shari’a and fiqh and calling for reform of fiqh codes in light of modern conditions.
The common topic of discussion among modern scholars is that, the government in the Muslim state should primarily be concerned with maintaining peace, equitable justice based upon Islamic law and other matters of statehood: “…those who do not judge by the law which Allah has revealed, are indeed disbelievers.”(Qur’an;5:44). However as far as the religious matters are concerned they think that state has the responsibility of making arrangements to establish Salah (regular prayers) and system of Zakah (obligatory charity), taking inference form verse : “…but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.”(Qur’an;9:5), “These are the people who, if We establish them (in power, authority) in the land, will establish Salah and pay Zakah, enjoin justice and forbid evil; the final decision of all affairs is in the hands of Allah.”(Qur’an;22:41), “Let there be no compulsion in religion..”(Qur’an;2:256). They think that implementation in all other matters, should be left to the individuals through persuasion to enjoin good and forbid evil. Use of force like Taliban, forcing the men to keep beard, women to cover face, not to attend schools and colleges etc is not considered appropriate. Similarly to the performing Hajj and many other matters are left to the individual Muslims for which they is answerable to Allah. The Bible also emphasies similar aspectc:“For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?” (1 Peter; 3:10-13)
Ijtihad : It means ‘independent reasoning’ as opposed to taqlid (imitation). In the absence of direct guidance from Qur’an or Sunnah for a given situation, the exercise of rational judgment by a competent authority is termed as Ijtihad. It is a unique and important component of Shari’a. Ijtihad started during the life of the Prophet (peace be upon him), who while sending ‘Muadh ibn Jabal’ to Yemen, asked him: “According to what will you judge?” “According to the Book of God,” replied Muadh. “And if you find nothing therein?” “According to the Sunnah of the Prophet of God.” “And if you find nothing therein?” “Then I will exert myself (exercise Ijtihad) to form my own judgment.” The Prophet was pleased with this reply and said: “Praise be to God Who has guided the messenger of the Prophet to that which pleases the Prophet.” The rules of Ijtihad were framed by Abu Bakr, the first Caliph. He laid down the principle that in deciding a case he would obtain guidance the first instance from the Holy Qur’an. If the Holy Qur’an was silent in the matter, he would look for guidance to the traditions of the Holy Prophet as duly authenticated. If the traditions were also silent he was to decide the case according to his best judgment He held: “If my decision is just then it will be from God. If it is erroneous, it will be mine, and may God pardon me.” Ijtehad is fallible since more than one interpretation of a legal issue is possible.
Differences of Shari’a from Western Systems of Law :
In classical form, the Shari’a differs from Western systems of law (based on Roman Law) in two principal respects. In the first place the scope of the Shari’a is much wider, since it regulates man’s relationship not only with his neighbours and with the state, which is the limit of most other legal systems, but also with his Allah and his own conscience. Ritual practices,(ibadat) such as the daily prayers, almsgiving, fasting, and pilgrimage, are an integral part of Shari’a law and usually occupy the first chapters in the legal manuals. The Shari’a is also concerned as much with ethical standards as with legal rules, indicating not only what man is entitled or bound to do in law, but also what he (obligatory) ought, in conscience, to do (halal), something that is lawful and permitted in Islam, or refrain from doing (haram) not permissible. Accordingly, certain acts are classified as praiseworthy (mandub), which means that their performance brings divine favour and their omission divine disfavour. There is an other category not halal or haram but some thing doubtful, classified a Undesirable (makruh), it is divided into Makruh Tahrimi “that which is nearly unlawful without it being actually so,” and Makruh Tanzihi “that which approaches the lawful or undesirable yet is closer to the lawful.” For example it is undesirable (makruh) for a person to buy back what he has given in charity (sadaqah, or zakat), or “to wish for one’s death, or pray to Allah for it, due to poverty, distress, illness, or the like. However in neither case is there any legal sanction of punishment or reward, nullity or validity.
Thus the Shari’a is not merely a system of law, but a comprehensive code of behaviour that embraces both private and public activities. The second major distinction between the Shari’a and Western legal systems is the result of the Islamic concept of law as the expression of the divine will. Shari’a law though appears to be rigid in certain aspects but there is room for flexibility in fiqha through Ijtehad to meet the challenges of growing and changing needs of society. In Islamic jurisprudence it is not the society that moulds and fashions the law, but the law that precedes and controls society, however the legitimate changes and requirements of the modern society are kept in view with in bounds of Divine Will. The Western Law, is not based on the Bible, they have discarded the Law of Moses, which Jesus declared as his mission, when he said: “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. . . . Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these Commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;”(Mathew;5:17-20). By contrast in the Western Law, it is the society that moulds and fashions the law thus consumption of alcohol, homosexuality, gay marriages (not permitted in Bible) have been made legal, on the desire and public support of the Western Society, where as in Shari’a, it is not possible to make such laws which are unnatural and clearly against the Divine Will, manifested in Qur’an and Sunnah.
ThanksAbujak

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm Said:

Right Abujak, I’m happy about all that and I know that not all Muslim Islamic peoples desire to commit murder nor work in the same manner that terrorist do. However, the Islamic Muslim law is to have a leader rise up that will Govern Religion and Govern Government, in other words ONE LEADER for Relgion and Government, can’t happen.

The Holy Bible is not flexible, man is. Man is a sinner and caves to pressures of society.

The problem and begining of the end is the World to include America trying to PLEASE Everybody, Can’t happen. One cannot pay allegiance to two Gods.

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AbuJak, on August 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm Said:

All, God is same, in English He is called God, in Arabic Allah. Look at the Arabic Bible God is called Allah.. Muhammad is not God, he was just a human being, a messenger of God, like Moses… and Jesus as Muslims believe. Muslims worship God, Allah or any other beautiful name of perfection belongs to Him. He is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus.
Jesus was the Messenger of God, which is mentioned at many places in the Scriptures: “And Jesus said to them, ‘A prophet is not without honour, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.”(Mark;6:4),“And the crowds said, ‘This is the prophet Jesus of Nazareth of Galilee.”(Matthew;21:11), “They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.”(John;9:17);“He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. He who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward, and he who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.” (Matthew;10:40-41), Jesus said:” And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (John;17:3), “Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work.” (John;4:34).“So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me; if any man’s will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.”(John;7:16-17), “So Jesus proclaimed, as he taught in the temple, “You know me, and you know where I come from? But I have not come of my own accord; he who sent me is true, and him you do not know.”(John;7:28), “So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me: I knew that thou hearest me always, but I have said this on account of the people standing by, that they may believe that thou didst send me.”(John;11:41-42), and “Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.” .”(John;13:16). According to Qur’an: “He (Jesus) said: “I am indeed a servant of God: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;” (Qura’n;19:30); “And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!”(Qur’an; 61:6).

God is not a ‘being’ like any creatures or thing known to human. Hence the man has reached the conclusion that the God can be comprehended through ‘His works’ or ‘signs’. The God of Abrahamic faiths is Supreme, Creator and Sustainer who created the universe and all creatures. According to the Hebrew traditions the God of their forefathers had been known mostly as El ‘Elyon (God Most High) or El Shaddai (God of the Mountain or Almighty God), but He identified Himself to Moses as Yahweh (Jehovah) (Exodus;6:3). As the causative form of the verb “to be,” Yahweh means; ‘He Who Creates’ (Brings Into Being). This revelation enabled Moses to understand the God of the Hebrews as the sovereign Lord over nature and the nations of the world. After the Exile (6th century BC), and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal religion through its influence in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun ‘elohiym,(el-o-heem) is plural of gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai (”My Lord”), which was translated as Kyrios (”Lord”) in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament. In Arabic the unique name of God is ‘Allah’; which is pure, does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it be played around with unlike the English word ‘God’. Allah can also be called with other beautiful names suitable to His attributes: “He is Allah! There is no deity worthy of worship except Him! To Him belong the most beautiful Names.”(Qur’an;20:8). Islamic traditions mention ninety nine (number not fixed) names of Allah like; Ar-Rahman (The Merciful), Al- Hayy (The Ever Living), Al-Qayum (The Self-Subsistent): The knowledge about God available with the followers of Abraham (peace be upon him) is not based upon speculation or guess work but what God has Himself revealed about Himself in the Revealed Scriptures (i.e. Torah, Palms, Injeel and Qur’an). God has kept the allowance for limitation of human perceptions hence His description about Himself should not always be taken literally but allegorically. For example He Sees and Hears, it is not to be understood literally, the way human sees through eyes or hears through ears. How God sees or hears, human intellect can not perceive, because He is Unique and there in none like Him.(Qur’an;112:4, Exodus;9:14; Deutronomy;33:26; 2Sameul;7:22; Isaiah;46:5,9). He has not abandoned the world after creation but, remains actively involved in its affairs. He desires the humanity to live according to His Commandments, by their free choice, He will reward them accordingly on the Day of Judgement. Among the followers of the Revealed religions there had not been doubt about the existence of God because the messengers and prophets of God had made the believers to believe in the God through the power of ‘signs’ and Revelations. However with the passage of time there has been deterioration and the people frail in faith started to raise questions. The theologians made efforts to satisfy them through the interpretation of scriptures and other rational arguments.

Terrorism: It is every where in every religion and people Islam has nothing special to do with terrorism. It condemns acts of killing of innocent people. But every where you have desperate people, if some one kiks you out of your home and occupy your house, what will you do? go to court or police but if no one listens, you take law in your hand and try to expel the illegal occupier… may use gun or stick… not lawful its wrong…. call him bad guy… cant blame the whole community.. must see in your self also .. have you done some thing wrong… are you angel… Hitler killed millions… just due to hatred…. it must stop.. oppression must stop.. from all sides….
The religions generally emphasize the dogmas and rituals of worship, while advocating high morals; but Islam is unique, it is the complete way of life, (Din), encompassing spiritual, as well as social, political, economic and all other aspects of human life for peace and security. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not introduce any new faith, God chose him for reviving and culminating the original faith for all the humanity till eternity. It is based upon attainment of peace through total surrender to the ‘Will of God’ (Islam), preached by all the previous messengers, to their respective communities. Islam is, rooted in Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him), the common ancestor of Jews, Christians and Muslims.
The recent upsurge in the militancy and violence against oppression and foreign occupation in some Muslim lands has been incorrectly labeled as ‘Islamic Terrorism’. Terrorism is not restricted to any one religion. Such movements are, akin to any other armed movement like, in Spain (Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna), South Africa (armed struggle by ANC during apartheid regime), Sri Lanka (Tamil Tigers), Northern Ireland (IRA), Georgia (Abkhazia & South Ossetia), India (Nagaland, Mezoram), Hutu and Tutsi conflict in Rwanda and Burundi, Mexico (EZLN: Zapatista National Liberation Army), Kurdish separatists movement in Turkey and Iraq (among Muslims). ‘Ku Klux Klan’ the Whites racist terrorist organizations against blacks, operating in the U.S.A since 1865. The Baader-Meinhof gang of West Germany (1968-92), the Japanese Red Army, Italy’s Red Brigades, the Puerto Rican FALN, the Shining Path of Peru, France’s Direct Action., Zionist Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization), Stern Gang, (Lohame Herut Yisra‘el, “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”) and Haganah, were among the most prominent terrorist groups of the later 20th century. The Christian Templars (1119-1312) of Crusaders period had religious fervor. The terrorist activities mostly target the innocent civilians: the suicide bombing by Tamil Tigers, poisonous gas attack by Japanese terrorists (Aum Shinrikyo – mixed Buddhist dominated movement) in the Tokyo subway in 1996 and deadly Oklahoma bombing in the United States in1995 by Americans ex servicemen, 9/11 attack against Twin Towers in N.Y and London subway bombing, are some examples. The out of proportion use of brute force and firepower by Israelis against unarmed Palestinians, US and allies against civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and killing of protesting Kashmiri civilians by Indian forces are forms of state terrorism.
Islam is misunderstood due to many fallacies, which exist among Christians, non Muslims and even amongst some Muslims about Islam. The main reasons contributing towards these delusions are; historic, geopolitical, social, cultural, economic, religious and lack of understanding of Islam, and its values due to restricted and subjective view. Attributing every wrong act performed by Muslims, to Islam is not fair. Islam is the religion of ‘Peace’ literally and from core, it does not preach violence or suicide, the killing of innocent people is considered as a crime against humanity.(Qur’an:4:29, 5:32, 17:33). The legitimate warfare by the state is to be conducted strictly within laid down limits.(Qur’an:2:216,190-193, 60:8-9).

We must all condemn terrorism by any one, Muslim, Jews, Christians or Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka [now defeated]. Should treat other with justice and humanity as we ourselves would like to be treated. To make it a peaceful world… of love — not hatred. What ever you believe it is your business.. I may explain what I think is truth…
Regards,
Abujak

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 29th, 2009 at 3:51 pm Said:

Abujak, see this comment right here, “Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not introduce any new faith, God chose him for reviving and culminating the original faith for all the humanity till eternity. It is based upon attainment of peace through total surrender to the ‘Will of God’ (Islam), preached by all the previous messengers, to their respective communities. Islam is, rooted in Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him), the common ancestor of Jews, Christians and Muslims.”

This cannot be so, as the Holy Bible says, nothing can be added to scripture. Scripture is scripture, the end. Anything else is just a commentary of the Holy Scriptures, like the millions of books in print talking about the bible or scriptures contained therein.

The Bible says, no one comes to father except through Me (Jesus). Jesus is the only biblical or otherwise person that is living. In other words, there is no grave and no body. All other religions have a dead persons’ remains somewhere and Jesus is the only living Christ seated at the right hand of God.

I support Israel.

You are correct and gracious, let’s agree to disagree.

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John, on August 29th, 2009 at 3:33 pm Said:

Look all that rhetoric is just totally unnecessary. I have no intention of trying to change your mind about your religeon, I wish you wouldn,t try to ca=hange mine. I will just say, I am not at enmity with any one except those who would change my country or do us(me) harm. then I would see them die. Your Book,what ever you call it, most certainly teaches violence against infidels. We do not worship the same God. That is a big lie from the pits of hell. Jesus said”I am the the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. And that my friend is the end of this conversation.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pm Said:

John, wow, just got done with my comment to Abujak and said similiar things as you did regarding Jesus being the way, the truth and the life. huh? Great minds think alike.

I think AbuJak was trying to compare the KKK (America’s terrible past) from the late 1800’s – 1992 to the thousands of years of Islamic Muslim Terrorist acts around the GLOBE. Totally different. Terrorist acts are religiously oriented, the KKK was racially oriented.

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Abujak, on August 30th, 2009 at 2:09 pm Said:

You are right but i would put this way, every messenger of God is the way towards the God, because a Messenger of God is chosen servant man of God. in the time of Noha, Noah was the way, in the time of Abraham, Abraham taught the way to Lord, in the time of Jacob, he was the way, in the time of Moses , he was the way to Lord, hence Jesus was the way to Lord when he was there. Then some one came after Jesus Christ as predicted in Bible:
Bible Prophesied Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
It is well known that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Arab form the tribe of Quraysh, the decedents of Ishmael the eldest son of Abraham. Ishmael in infancy was left in the wilderness (later developed in to city of Makka a religious and commercial centre) along with his mother Hager. They were miraculously saved through a spring of Zamzam and flourished. Later Abraham came to offer sacrifice of his only son Ishmael, but he was saved by God. Abraham built the first House of Worship of One God along with Ishmael, it is now known as Ka’ba (the direction of prayer for worship of One God (Allah) symbolizing the unity of Muslims). He also established the rites of Pilgrimage (Hajj).
The advent of Muhammad has been prophesied in the Old Testament as well as in New Testament, some are mentioned below:
Old Testament:
1. God Calls Abraham:
“I will make thee a great nation and I shall bless thee, and make thy name great and thou shall be a blessing, and I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curseth thee; and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed”. (Genesis;12:2,3):
2. God Said To Hagar:
“I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold thou art with child, and shall bear a son, and shall call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.” (Genesis;17:10-12)
3. God Said To Abraham about Ishmael:
“As for Ishmael, I have heard thee; Behold I have blessed him, and make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, I will make him a great nation.” (Genesis;17:20-21)
4. Right of The First Born:
“If a man has two wives, one beloved another hated; and if the first born son be hers that was hated; then it shall be that when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved first born, before the son of the hated which is indeed the first born, by giving him the double portion of all that he hath; for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of firstborn is his”. (Deuteronomy;21:15-17)
[Note.—Ishmael was 14 years old when Isaac was born.]
5. The Blessing of Moses:
“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran (Arabic: Faran) came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in your hand: and they sat down at your feet; everyone shall receive of your words. Moses commanded us a law, even the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob”. (Deuteronomy;33:2-4).
6. The Age of Peace:
“And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. Gather yourselves together, and hear, you sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father. Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: Unstable as water, you shall not excel; because you went up to your father’s bed; then you defiled it: he went up to my couch. Simeon and Levi are brothers; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. O my soul, come not into their secret; unto their assembly, my spirit, be not united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their self-will they dug down a wall. Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel. Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise: your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; your father’s children shall bow down before you. Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, you are gone up: he stooped down, he crouched as a lion, and as a lioness; who shall rouse him up? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until SHILOH (Peace, Islam) comes; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be”.(Genesis;49:1-10)
7. The Vision of Isaiah:
“And he hath seen a chariot–a couple of horsemen, The rider of an ass, the rider of a camel, And he hath given attention–He hath increased attention!”(Isaiah;21:7) [Young’s Bible Literal Translation]. “He saw two riders one of them was a rider upon an ass, and the other rider was upon a camel, he harkened diligently with much heed.”(Isaiah;21:7) [Vulgate Bible]
8. Jesus Was The Promised Rider Upon Ass:
“And Jesus, when he had found a young donkey, sat thereon; as it is written, Fear not, daughter of Zion: behold, your King comes, sitting on a donkey’s colt. These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him”.(John;12:14-16)
9. Another Version Supporting the Above:
“Tell the daughter of Zion, Behold, your King comes unto you, meek, and sitting upon a donkey, and a colt the foal of a donkey. And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, And brought the donkey, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they sat him thereon. And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and spread them in the way. And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. And when he came into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.( Matthew;21:5-11)
Who is the promised rider upon the camel? Obviously it refers to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)!
10. The Chosen Servant:
“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; my elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth justice to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth justice unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has established justice in the earth: and the coastlands shall wait for his law. Thus says God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it; he that gives breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk in it: I the LORD have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant to the people, for a light to the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images”. (Isaiah;42:1-8)
11. Prevail Against Jealous Enemies:
“Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar does inhabit: let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the coastlands. The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, shout aloud; he shall prevail against his enemies.”(Isaiah;42:11-13)
12. Brethren, Not Brothers; Prophecy of Moses:
God speaks to Prophet Moses: “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him”(Deuteronomy; 18:18,19).
Relating this prophesy with Jesus is not correct as the analysis indicate that it is related with Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him): Among the prophets which followed Prophet Moses, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is most like Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) where as Jesus (peace be upon him) had nothing common with Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) except being a Jew and prophet, (In Christianity, Jesus is believed to be Son of God, one of the three persons of the Trinity). Moreover, being descendent of Prophet Ishmael, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is among the brethren of Jews, who was like Moses.
13. Similarities: Moses & Muhammad (PBUT):
Prophet Muhammad and Moses (peace be upon them) had a normal birth through father and a mother, while Jesus (peace be upon him) was miraculously born without any male intervention. (Mathew; 1:18 and Luke; 1:35 and also Qur’an;3:42-47). Both were married, had children and died natural deaths. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is from among the brethren of Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) being descendent of Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) through his sons Ishmael and Isaac (peace be upon them) respectively. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was unlettered, hence in verbatim repeated the revelations conforming phrase; “Words in the mouth”. Prophet Moses & Muhammad (peace be upon them) brought new laws and new regulations for their people, besides, both were accepted as messengers of God by their people in their lifetime. They ruled over their communities (as kings), they could inflict capital punishment where as Jesus (peace be upon them) said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John; 18:36), Jesus was not accepted by most of his people in his life time: “He came unto his own, but his own received him not.”(Gospel of John;1:11) and he (Jesus) did not bring any new laws, Jesus said; “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them..;”(Mathew;5:17-18).
14. Song of Solomon:
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is mentioned by name in the Old Testament: “His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely(Muhammadim). This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”(Song of Solomon; 5:16). :”Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”” In the Hebrew language ‘im’ is added for respect. Similarly ‘im’ is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as “altogether lovely”, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew (dmxm), the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is present till now.
Prophesies in New Testament:
1. Spirit of Truth, Glorify Jesus:
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth (referring to Muhammad) is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me”(John; 16:12-14). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spoke verbatim the revelations received through angel Gabriel, (Qur’an), he also glorified Jesus Christ]
Paracletos- [ 2. Comforter:
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter (Paracletos), that he may abide with you forever.”(John; 14:16). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) delivered the message of God, (Qur’an), which is available to Christians and all the humanity in original uncorrupted form for their peace and comfort till eternity.]
3. Witness to the Truthfulness of Jesus:
“But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me;” (John; 15:26). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), bore witness of truthfulness of Jesus as messenger of God, he also glorified Jesus Christ]
4. Comforter to Come after Departure of Jesus:
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”(John;16:7). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), came six centuries after departure of Jesus Christ]
Referring these prophesies to ‘Holy Ghost’ is irrelevant, because as per Christian theology ‘Holy Ghost’ was already present (dove upon Jesus) and is considered as one of Trinity. Moreover what ‘new thing’ ‘Holy Ghost’ has brought after departure of Jesus Christ in last 2000 years? (‘Holy Ghost’ is believed to be guiding the Churches).
par-ak’-lay-tos; Periclytos. In the Gospel of John;14:16, 15:26, and 16:7, Jesus (peace be upon him) actually prophesized “Ahmed” by name, word ‘Comforter’ in Greek Paracletos, Periclytos refers to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Allah says in Qur’an: “Those to whom We have given the Scripture (their scholars) recognize this (Muhammad) as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.”(Qur’an;6:20), “And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!”(Qur’an; 61:6). Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?”(Qur’an;3:71).  All these prophesies are clearly applicable to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). As explained earlier, Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the Greek word
Deductions:
From above it may be deduced that the prophet after Jesus Christ would be:
1. A rider upon a camel.
2. God’s servant (Abduho).
3. God’s Elect (Mustafa).
4. Inhabitant of the villages of Prince Kedar, son of Ishmael.
5. His religion will be known as Shiloh(means; Peace-Islam).
6. His light will shine from Faran.
7. The scepter (A staff held by a sovereign as an emblem of authority or Ruling power or authority; sovereignty) of Judah will pass on to him.
8. God will put his words in his mouth.
9. He shall not fail and shall not break.
10. He will have similarities with Moses.
11.He shall be known as Comforter, Ahmad, or …Advocate.
One needs not to be a genius to deduce that; this is all about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Prophesies in The Gospel of Jesus” by Disciple Barnabas:
“…And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me “God,” and “Son of God,” God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, hath willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Mohammed, the messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God’s law.”(Barnabas:220)
“….Wherefore, when the messenger of God shall come, he shall come to cleanse away all wherewith the ungodly have contaminated my book.” (Barnabas:124)
” …After those years shall the angel Gabriel come into hell, and shall hear them say: “O Mohammed, where are thy promises made to us, saying that those who have thy faith shall not abide in hell for evermore?” ‘Then the angel of God shall return to paradise, and having approached with reverence the messenger of God shall narrate him what he hath heard.’ ‘Then shall his messenger speak to God and say: “Lord my God, remember the promise made to me thy servant, concerning them that have received my faith, that they shall not abide for evermore in hell.” ‘God shall answere: “Ask what thou wilt, O my friend, for I will give thee all that thou askest.” (Barnabas:136)

The terrorism is the act of violence against innocent people. If committed by Muslims it is terrorism, if by Jews [Hagana] or IDF in Gaza or in Lebanon, or elsewhere by others it is self defense. Fine every one can look at the things as he/she likes.

Warfare for empire building by different nations has nothing to do with the religion be it by Neubechandzer of Babylon, Cyrus of Persia, Crusaders of Europe, Mongols, Alexander of Greece, Romans of old era, Arabs or Turks or Europeans in the last 500 years, this is human activity of domination by one power over others. Not all the Jews or Christians are angels, we see so many crimes being committed every day, murders, rapes, robberies etc etc all around the world. Muslims are no exceptions, there are good Muslims and bad Muslims as you have good Christians, Jews and bad ones. Any bad act or crime by few people can not be taken to declare the entire community as criminal. Let us try to have uniform standards for the humanity. A killer of innocent people is a killer be it Jews, Christian or Muslim or of any faith.

Now I shall again repeat what Jesus says:
1. Spirit of Truth, Glorify Jesus:
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth (referring to Muhammad) is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me”(John; 16:12-14). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spoke verbatim the revelations received through angel Gabriel, (Qur’an), he also glorified Jesus Christ]
Paracletos- [ 2. Comforter:
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter (Paracletos), that he may abide with you forever.”(John; 14:16). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) delivered the message of God, (Qur’an), which is available to Christians and all the humanity in original uncorrupted form for their peace and comfort till eternity.]
3. Witness to the Truthfulness of Jesus:
“But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me;” (John; 15:26). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), bore witness of truthfulness of Jesus as messenger of God, he also glorified Jesus Christ]
4. Comforter to Come after Departure of Jesus:
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”(John;16:7). [Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), came six centuries after departure of Jesus Christ]
Referring these prophesies to ‘Holy Ghost’ is irrelevant, because as per Christian theology ‘Holy Ghost’ was already present (dove upon Jesus) and is considered as one of Trinity. Moreover what ‘new thing’ ‘Holy Ghost’ has brought after departure of Jesus Christ in last 2000 years? (‘Holy Ghost’ is believed to be guiding the Churches).
par-ak’-lay-tos; Periclytos. In the Gospel of John;14:16, 15:26, and 16:7, Jesus (peace be upon him) actually prophesized “Ahmed” by name, word ‘Comforter’ in Greek Paracletos, Periclytos refers to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Allah says in Qur’an: “Those to whom We have given the Scripture (their scholars) recognize this (Muhammad) as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.”(Qur’an;6:20), “And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!”(Qur’an; 61:6). Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?”(Qur’an;3:71).  All these prophesies are clearly applicable to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). As explained earlier, Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the Greek word
EVERY ONE IS FREE TO FOLLOW THE RELIGION HE/ SHE CHOOSES TO BE RIGHT BY USING HIS/HER INTELLECT, NOT BLINDLY FOLLOWiING OTHERS.
God says:
“If it had been the will of your Lord that all the people of the world should be believers, all the people of the earth would have believed! Would you then compel mankind against their will to believe? It is not possible for anyone to believe except by the permission of God,
and He throws “filth of disbelief “on those who do not use their reason”.(Qur’an;10-99-100).
“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error; whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.”(Qur’an;2:256).

Well it has been a good exchange of view, you are most welcome any time in future to know some thing about Islam, you shall not find me lacking in response.

I shall close this session:
“And of them is he who believeth therein, and of them is he who believeth not therein, and thy Lord is best aware of the corrupters. And if they deny thee, say: Unto me my work, and unto you your work. Ye are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what ye Do.” (Qur’an;10:40-41)

God may have Mercy upon us, and guide us towards the right path.
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Abujak, on August 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm Said:

Author: Warrant One Girl – asil
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Right Abujak, I’m happy about all that and I know that not all Muslim Islamic peoples desire to commit murder nor work in the same manner that terrorist do. However, the Islamic Muslim law is to have a leader rise up that will Govern Religion and Govern Government, in other words ONE LEADER for Relgion and Government.

The Holy Bible is not flexible, man is. Man is a sinner and caves to pressures of society.

The problem and begining of the end is the World to include America trying to PLEASE Everybody, Can’t happen. One cannot pay allegiance to two Gods.
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Author Abujak:
Comments:
There seems to be wide difference in perceptions. It appears that you have either not read about Islam or what ever you read it was not presenting the impartial true Islam.
Muslims do not believe in 2 Gods, only One God, not even Trinity. Absolute One God, the God of Moses as mentioned in Old Testament and Gospel.
in Islam the political leader is not necessarily a cleric or religious leader or priest. If he has the good knowledge of religion it is added advantage. The initial four Caliphs after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were his companions [disciples] having been directly groomed in religious and secular matters by him. In the Islamic history you shall never find any Priest ruling the government. The religious scholars are consulted on religious matters, but they have no authority over government. Even the Taliban of Afghanistan have little knowledge of religion thats why the even kill Muslims and innocent women and children through suicide bombing.
Just for the sake of gaining true knowledge about Islam, please read my following books:
ABC of Understanding Faith:
Empirical-Faith-pdf:
Religion and Reasoning:
Selection of Right Course:
The Faith of Abraham & Islam:

The Creator:
The Creation:
The Guidance:
Islam in Modern Era:
Islam-An Introduction:
The Last Prophet (pbuh):
You can download from: http://librere.wordpress.com
I am not asking to change your faith, just requesting you to know about others specially Islam.
What if some one tells your that the Earth is the center of Universe! You would laugh at his outdated knowledge. We have to remain updated.
Thanks
Abujak

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John, on August 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm Said:

Dude I really don’t know what your point is here. I told you, you are not going to change anyone’s mind here. You are really are becoming Quite annoying. You see there is a Tinity that you don’t believe don’t accept. There is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God the Son is Jesus. Jesus was sent here to die on the cross to pay for our sins. Because of that we can go to heaven if we accept Him as our Lord and Savior.That is the only way to go to heaven. There is no other way, not thropugh Islam, Not through Greek gods not any can you go to heaven. You must accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Sorry you don’t get 72 virgins if you kill infidels.

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AbuJak, on August 31st, 2009 at 6:17 am Said:

My Dear Mr.John!
Please be patient to listen to the other point of view. You may get annoyed but as long as you remain with in the bounds of decency and logical arguments I don’t mind discussion with you.
What you believe its the matter between you and your Lord. I can only say which I am convinced to be true, not because i was born with people with such ideas around me but after Rationally studying the faiths like Judaism, Christianity , Islam and others. The matter of faith is too important to be left at the mercy of some one else. I don’t bleive to follow blind faith of others unless I am convinced with logical arguments as to what is the Truth. Any error on our part will take us to the hell and we shall be doomed. We can not then say that I followed it because my ancestors were practicing it. I shall be asked as to was I not granted intelligence and wisdom by the Lord? Why I did not made use of it?

I think one should not be too much fixed up to preconceived ideas that even don’t read what others say.
I have repeatedly quoted the Bible, New Testament, which you believe to be the divinely revealed scripture. I believe in the true Gospel [injeel] revealed to Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), some of it still contained in the four Gospels available whose real authors are not known with certainty. I do not believe on some one who never met Jesus Christ, opposed Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), helped to persecute and and kill his followers, I don’t say this your Bible says so, please read in Acts 7:58; ” And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.”
Saul is the original name of Paul, he adopted Paul to make it attractive to Greeks.

If you can not reply to my arguments and quotations from the scripture you believe, it means that there is some thing wrong some where, in your understanding please think about it.
Jesus Christ said as given in Matthew 23:33 “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”
Jesus says in Matthew 10:24 “The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.”
How Saul or Paul, the self declares disciple of Jesus Christ changes the teachings of Jesus and inserts the pagan doctrines like Trinity to please and facilitate Greeco-Roman gentiles to convert to his brand of new religion never preached by Jesus Christ, ho has said: Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”

In the conference of the Christian Apostles held in Jerusalem around 50 C.E, the ensuing apostolic conference (Acts;15:2-35), led by the apostle Peter and James, were persuaded to relax the adherence of Law for the Gentile Christians. After debate, it was decreed that Gentile Christians did not have to observe the Mosaic Law of the Jews. The general intention of disciples is evident from the speech delivered by Peter: “Now therefore why test God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”(Acts;15:10-11). [If Peter’s aim was to totally cancel the Law for the gentiles, then it would also been cancelled for the Jewish Christians, because Peter considers the Law as burden for the gentiles as well as the for themselves (Jews)]
It may be kept in view that the purpose of the Council of Jerusalem was not to determine whether the Law of Torah is obligatory for the gentiles or not? The in-depth analysis indicates that as far as the viability of the Law of Torah is concerned the disciples had no doubt in their mind, they all agreed to the obligation to adhere to these laws: The issue was only to relax them for the gentiles to facilitate their conversion. For this reason while describing those who wanted the gentiles to adhere to the Law, Luke wrote: “But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”(Acts;15:5). In response James decreed: “Therefore my judgment is, that we trouble not them, who from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”(Acts;15:19-21). Hence the general letter written by this Council to the gentiles states: “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That you abstain from anything offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if you keep yourselves, you shall do well. Farewell.”(Acts;15:28-29)
It is amply clear from above that the disciples of Jesus Christ did not intend to cancel or abrogate the Law of Torah altogether but compromised on its application for gentiles (Not Jewish Christians) temporarily to facilitate easy conversion of gentiles from paganism to the new faith. However when Barnabas and Paul reached Antioch, Paul took undue advantage of the Decree of the Jerusalem Council and started preaching that the Law of Torah has been abrogated completely: “For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.”(Galatians;2:19) and later: “But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”(Romans;7:6).
Barnabas & Paul-Split on Doctrinal Differences:
Obviously acceptance of self made doctrines by Paul, implied total deviation from the teachings of Jesus Christ, who had said: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”(Matthew;5:17). Hence Peter and Barnabas opposed Paul, which has been mentioned by Paul: “But when Peter came to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed. For before certain men came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them who were of the circumcision. And the other Jews joined likewise with him; so that Barnabas also was carried away with their hypocrisy.”(Galatians;2:11-13).
Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) has been wrongly claimed to be the Son of God by Paulian followers. This is just a fabrication and misnomer. The use of the terminology ‘son of God’ and Father (for God) need to be understood as per its use among Hebrews and their scriptures, because Jesus Christ was himslf a Jew, sent with the misson for the guidance of Jews, he said:I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”(Mathew;15:24)
Son of God:
The Hebrews believed that God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense, hence it is obvious that the expression “son of God” merely metaphorically meant to them “Servant of God”; one who, because of his faithful service, was close and dear to God, as a son is to a father. Christians who came from a Greek and Roman background, later misused this term. In Greco-Roman heritage, “son of God” signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. When the Church cast aside its Hebrew foundations, it adopted the pagan concept of “son of God”, which was entirely different from the Hebrew usage. Consequently, the use of the term “son of God” should only be understood from the Semitic symbolic sense of a “servant of God”, and not in the pagan sense of a literal offspring of God. In the four Gospels, Jesus is recorded as saying: “Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”(Mathew;5:9), “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD.”(Romans; 8:14). The term ‘Son of God’ has been used numerously for people near to God like Prophet Jacob, David & Solomon in the Bible. ( 2 Samuel 8:13-14, Psalms;2:7, 89:26-27: Job 1:6, Psalms 2:7, Luke;3:38, 4:41, 9:22, Hosea;1:10, Jeremiah;31:9, Job;2:1,38:4-7, Genesis;6:2, Deuteronomy;14:1, Exodus;4:22-23).
Even the angels are referred to as ‘sons of God’: “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.”(Job;1:6). According to the Bible of King James Version of 1611 : “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only ‘BEGOTTEN’ Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”. (John;3:16). The word ‘BEGOTTEN’ used here (John;3:16) has been expunged in the Bible- Revised Standard Version, being wrongly added because word ‘BEGOTTEN’ does not exist in the original Greek script. In the Gospels Jesus is reported to have repeatedly called himself “Son of man”(Mathew;9:6, Luke;9:22). At eighty five places “Son of man” has been mentioned in New Testament. Jesus even rejected being called “Son of God”: “And demons also came out of many, crying, ‘You are the Son of God!’ But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.”(Luke;4:41). God says: “Further to warn those who say “God has begotten a son.” They have no knowledge, nor do their forefathers. Dreadful is the word that comes from their mouths. They speak nothing but a lie.”(Qur’an;18:4-5).
Father (Abba):
Likewise use of the term ‘abba’, (dear father) by Jesus’ should be understood similarly: “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father”. (Romans;8:15). The word ‘Father’ is used for the ‘God’ or the ‘Lord’ not as biological father but in the spiritual sense as The Creator & Sustainer at many places in the Bible: “Do you thus requite the LORD, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you?” (Deuteronomy;32:6);“Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?” (Malachi;2:10);“As a father pities his children, so the LORD pities those who fear him.” (Psalms;103:13).
It is mentioned:” For all who are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God.”(Romans;8:14). “He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation”(Psalms;89:26), “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”(Mathew;5:48),“Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven” (Mathew; 6:1),“But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.” (Mathew;6:6),“Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knows what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.” (Mathew;6:8),“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.” (Mathew; 6:9),“(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knows that ye have need of all these things.” (Mathew; 6:32).
Jesus said to Mary; “…go to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend to my Father and your Father; and to my God, and your God….” (John;20:17). Joseph is called a father to Pharaoh(Genesis; 45:8), Abraham is called the father of a multitude of nations (Genesis;17:5), and Job is called the father of the needy (Job;29:16). “And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.”(John;5: 37).“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;” (Jhon;14:16). “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me”. (John;5:30).
Even in some of the writings of Paul, which the Church has taken to be sacred, Jesus (peace be upon him) is referred to as a “man”, distinct and different from God. Paul writes: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1Timothy;2:5). Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) would die for their sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the Commandments. It is indeed striking to note the divergence between the words of Prophet Jesus Christ and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). James Barr has recently argued forcefully that it did not have the specially intimate sense that has so often been attributed to it, but that it simply meant “father”. To think of God as “our heavenly Father” (Mathew;6:14) was by no means new, for in the Lord’s prayer Jesus is reported to have taught his disciples to address God in this same familiar way.
Aberrant Doctrines of Christianity:
In Christian theology, out of the twenty-seven books of the New Testament, no fewer than fourteen are attributed to Paul; hence Paul is the most important single author of the New Testament (Epistles and the Acts of the Apostles). Paul’s influence on Christian theology has been incalculable.
His doctrine includes:
Divinity of Christ:
Jesus was not merely an inspired human prophet, but was actually divine.
Jesus; The Son of God:
Paul taught the Gentiles to turn “to God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. Paul explained to them that Jesus was not merely a normal human prophet but a “Son of God” and that this “Son of God” “(Corinthians; 1:9-10), Who died in atonement for the sins of all mankind.
The Original Sin:
Paul also enunciated the doctrine of original sin; disobedience of Adam to God, making all humanity a born sinner.(Romans; 5: 12-19).
Justification by Faith Alone:
Christ died for sins of humanity, and his suffering can redeem them. Man cannot achieve salvation by attempting to conform to Biblical injunctions, but only by accepting Christ; conversely, if one accepts Christ, his sins will be forgiven.
Disregard The Law:
Since obedience to the law alone cannot provide salvation, Paul insisted that there was no need for converts to Christianity to accept Jewish dietary restrictions, or to conform to the rituals of the Mosaic Code, or even to be circumcised. Jesus said; “THINK NOT THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS; I HAVE COME NOT TO ABOLISH THEM BUT TO FULFIL THEM. . . . Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these Commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;” (Gospel- Mathew;5:17-20). Paul said; “BUT NOW WE ARE DISCHARGED FROM THE LAW, DEAD to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.”(Romans;7:6). Several of the other early Christian leaders disagreed strongly with Paul on this point, and if their views had prevailed, it seems doubtful that Christianity would have spread so rapidly throughout the Roman Empire.
Paul- As The Apostle of Gentile:
Paul, more than any other man, was responsible for the transformation of Christianity from a Jewish sect into a world religion. His central ideas of the “DIVINITY OF CHRIST” and of “JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE” have remained basic doctrine to “Christian Thought” throughout all the intervening centuries. Paul was not as successful in preaching to the Jews as some of the other early Christians. In preaching to non-Jews, however, Paul was outstandingly successful, so much so that he is often referred to as the “Apostle to the Gentiles”. No other man played so large a role in the propagation of Christianity as Paul. The main reason of success among the gentiles was that the gentiles, (Greco-Roman pagans) found the ideas propagated by Paul very close to their established beliefs, thus the new faith became quite acceptable to them. The pagan gentiles worshiped many sons of almighty Zeus (The principal god of the Greek pantheon, ruler of the heavens, and father of other gods and mortal heroes), Jupiter and other such gods like Attis, Adonis, Dionysus, etc. They believed that these pagan gods had died for their sins and been resurrected. Paul taught the Gentiles to turn “to God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come”(Corinthians; 1:9-10).
Paul explained to them that Jesus was not merely a normal human prophet but a “Son of God” and that this “Son of God” died in atonement for the sins of all mankind. The gentiles immediately saw the parallels and the great degree of similarity with that which they already believed. All they had to do was to change a few labels. In this manner, Paul managed to convince the gentiles to accept the “Religion of Jesus.” This is because, unlike the Jews, the religion of the Greeks already accepted “father gods” and “son gods,” the death of gods, the resurrection of gods, the incarnation of gods, divine savior gods, the eating of the flesh of gods, and the drinking of the blood of gods…etc. All of these concepts were not new to them. Thus Paul became a great leader among them and was named “Saint Paul” and “Apostle to the Gentiles”.
Trinity:
Based on St Paul’s concept of divinity of Jesus, the concept of Trinity was developed during three centuries. According to Encyclopedia Britannica:
“The Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon; by excluding several extreme positions from the circle of orthodoxy, paved the way for the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity in the 4th century after Christ. The God is believed to be consisting of three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Since 5th-century theologians were able to describe the relation between the divine and the human Christ by analogy to the relation between the Father and the Son in the Trinity. There were three divine persons in one divine essence; such was the outcome of the controversies in the 4th century. But there were also two natures, one of them divine and the other human, in the one person Jesus Christ. Over the relation between these two natures the theologians of the 5th century carried on their controversy. The abstract questions with which they sometimes dealt in that controversy, some of them almost unintelligible to a modern mind, must not be permitted to obscure the fact that a basic issue of the Christian faith was at stake: how can Jesus Christ be said to partake of both identity with God and brotherhood with humanity?’ Ultimately it was concluded that God literally became incarnate as a human in the form of Jesus. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia: “The three Persons (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) are Co-Equal and Co-Eternal: all alike are Uncreated and Omnipotent (supreme).”
Rejection by Several Christian Denominations:
This”Trinitarian Monotheism” has been rejected by several Christian denominations and Christian-based religions. The only one verse in the whole of Bible which, the supporters interpreted to supports this Christian dogma, and that is: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these THREE ARE ONE.”(The first Epistle of John; 5:7,8). (in some volumes this changed as : “There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and THESE THREE AGREE”). In the foot not of this verse in ‘New International Version Bible’ it is written; ‘NOT FOUND IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE SIXTEEN CENTURY. Dr C.I, Scofield, D.D. backed by eight other D.D.’s in a footnote to this verse opine: “It is generally agreed that this verse has no manuscript authority and has been inserted.”The fundamentalist Christians still retain this fabrication whereas; in all the modern translations including the Revised Standard Version (RSV) this pious deceit has been unceremoniously expunged.
The Doctrine of Jesus Concerning God:
In The Gospel of Jesus, according to Barnabas, chapter:17, the true faith of believers and concept of God was explained by Jesus Christ: “When Jesus had said this, Philip answered: ‘We are content to serve God, but we desire, however, to know God, for Isaiah the prophet said: “Verily thou art a hidden God,” and God said to Moses his servant: “I am that which I am.” Jesus answered: ‘Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath he given a beginning, and to everything shall he give an end. He hath no father nor mother; he hath no sons nor brethren nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance. He is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see him nor know him perfectly; but in his kingdom thou shalt see him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory.’
Philip answered: ‘Master, what sayest thou? It is surely written in Isaiah that God is our father; how, then, hath he no sons?’ Jesus answered: ‘There are written in the prophets many parables, wherefore thou oughtest not to attend to the letter, but to the sense. For all the prophets, that are one hundred and forty-four thousand, whom God hath sent into the world, have spoken darkly. But after me shall come the Splendour of all the prophets and holy ones, and shall shed light upon the darkness of all that the prophets have said, because he is the messenger of God’ And having said this, Jesus sighed and said: ‘Have mercy on Israel, O Lord God; and look with pity upon Abraham and upon his seed, in order that they may serve thee with truth of heart.
His disciples answered: ‘So be it, O Lord our God!’ Jesus said: ‘Verily I say unto you, the scribes and doctors have made void the law of God with their false prophecies, contrary to the prophecies of the true prophets of God: wherefore God is wrath with the house of Israel and with this faithless generation.’ His disciples wept at these words, and said: ‘Have mercy, O God, have mercy upon the temple and upon the holy city, and give it not into contempt of the nations that they despise not thy holy covenant.’ Jesus answered: ‘So be it, Lord God of our fathers.”(Barnabas:17)
Jesus Christ Never Claimed Divinity:
God says that in hereafter, Jesus will be questioned: “After reminding him of these favors, God will say: “O Jesus son of Marry, Did you ever say to the people, “worship me and my mother as gods beside God?” He will answer: “Glory to You! How could I say what I had no right to say? If I had ever said so, you would have certainly known it. You know what is in my heart, but I know not what is in yours; for You have full knowledge of all the unseen. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU COMMANDED me to say that is TO WORSHIP GOD, WHO IS MY LORD AND YOUR LORD. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them; but when You called me off, You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to everything. If You punish them, they surely are Your servants; and if You forgive them, You are Mighty, Wise.”(Qur’an;5:116-118). According to Bible Jesus said: “Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN (Surrender to will of God: Islam). On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU EVILDOERS’.”(Methew;7:21-23).
God says:” Certainly they have disbelieved who say: “Christ the son of Mary is God.” While Christ himself said: “O children of Israel! WORSHIP GOD, MY LORD AND YOUR LORD.” Whoever ascribes divinity to any one besides God, un to him will God deny paradise, and the hellfire will be his home. There will be no helper for the wrongdoers.(Qur’an;5:72). This statement of Jesus still exist in three Gospels: “Then said Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, THOU SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD, AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE.” (Mathew;4:10, Luke;4:8), “Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.”(John;20:17). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “Worship me”. In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) in which he preached quite the contrary: “My Father is greater than I.” (John;14:28). “My Father is greater than all.” (John;10:29). “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….” (Mathew;12:28). “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”(Luke;11:20). “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”(John;5:30). Prophet Jesus refuted even the remotest suggestion of his divinity, as evident form Bible: “And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’ And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”(Mathew; 19:16-17). God addresses the Jews and Christians: “O people of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His Apostles. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for God is One God: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.”(Qur’an;4:171). “Say: He is God the One and Only; God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being; He begets not, and neither is He begotten; And there is nothing that can be compared with Him.”(Qur’an;112:1-4).
Jesus a Human, Prophet Not God-The Gospel of Jesus:
The Gospel of Jesus according to his disciple Barnabas mentions that Jesus is a Prophet of God, and not His Son as evident form following:
a. “Jesus, having received this vision, and knowing that he was a prophet sent to the house of Israel, revealed to Mary his mother, telling her that he needs must suffer great persecution for the honor of God, and that he couldn’t any longer abide with her to serve her.” (Barnabas:10).
b. In reply to a question by Philip, Prophet Jesus said: “God alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have a end, … He hath no sons, nor brethern, nor companions.”(Barnabas:17).
c. “And when he had said this, the crowed drew high, and when they knew him they began to cry out: ‘ Welcome to thee, O our God !’ and they began to do him reverence, as unto God. Whereupon Jesus gave a great groan and said: ‘ Get ye from before me, O mad men, for I fear lest the earth should open and devour me with you for your abominable words !’ Whereupon the people were filled with terror and began to weep.”(Barnabas:92).
d. “Then Jesus, having lifted his hand in token of silence, said: ‘ Verily ye have erred greatly, O Israelites, in calling me, a man, your God. And I fear that God may for this give heavy plague upon the holy city…..I confess before heaven, ….that I am stranger to all that ye have said; seeing that I am man, born of a mortal woman, subject to the judgment of God, suffering the miseries of eating and sleeping, of cold and heat, like other men,.. Whereupon when God shall come to judge, my words like a sword shall pierce each one (of them) that believe me to be more than a man,” (Barnabas:93)
The Original Sin:
The many Christian legends in many languages about the lives of Adam and Eve have their origin in Jewish writings about the biblical first man and woman. The most important of these ancient works are the Latin Vita Adae et Evae (Life of Adam and Eve) and a Greek work closely parallel to it, named erroneously by its first editor the Apocalypse of Moses. The narrative runs from the fall to the death of Adam and Eve. The religious message in the story involves the repentance of Adam and Eve after their expulsion from paradise – and the description of their deaths does not show any traces of the idea of ORIGINAL SIN, which was important in later Christian theology.
According to this doctrine, the sin committed by Adam (peace be upon him) of disobeying the command of God, passes on to all human making them sinner by birth. So; “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous” (Roman;12:19). The inheritance of sin of ancestor by the descendants is against all ethics, morality and common logic. It is against the explicit pronouncement of God in Bible: “The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffers for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.” (Ezekiel;18:20-21). “He pardons the believing sinners if they repent and seek His forgiveness: “I, I am He who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.”(Isiah;43:25); “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.”(Jermiah;31:34); “that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.”(Jermiah;36:3); “To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgiveness;”(Daniel;9:9); “But there is forgiveness with thee, That thou mayest be feared”(Psalms;103:4).
Repentance & Forgiveness in New Testament:
The concept of repentance and forgiveness also exist in New Testament: “Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.”(Luke;15:7), “Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”(Luke;15:10), “And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet; and bring the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and make merry; for this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to make merry.”(Luke;15:21-24); “And forgive us our debts,”(Mathew:6:12, Luke;11:4).
Personal Responsibility, Accountability:
God has repeatedly emphasized the personal responsibility and individual accountability: “No bearer of a burden will bear another’s burden, and if a heavy laden person cries out for help, none will come forward to share the least of his burden, even though he be a close relative. O Prophet! You can only admonish those who fear their Sustainer- though they cannot see Him – and establish Prayer (Salah). He that purifies himself does so for his own good. To God is the destination of all.”(Qur’an;35:18); “He that seeks guidance, shall be guided to his own advantage, but he that goes astray does so to his own loss. No bearer shall bear the burden of another on the Day of Judgment. And during your worldly life, We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Messenger to make truth distinct from falsehood.”(Qur’an;17:15); “Say: “Should I seek another Sustainer besides God when He is the Sustainer of everything?” Every soul will reap the fruits of its own deeds; no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Ultimately you will return to your Sustainer, and He will resolve for you your disputes.”(Qur’an;6:164)
The last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him, prophesized in Bible by Moses and Jesus) said, “Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but God Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism” (Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, 2.440, Narrated by Ibn Shihab). God says: “The pure God’s Islamic nature (true faith i.e. to worship none but God Alone), with which He has created human beings.” (Qur’an;30:30).
According to Islamic Doctrine; every one is accountable for his deeds, Adam (peace be upon him) committed the first sin, he repented, thus was forgiven by God; “..thus did Adam disobey His Lord and allow himself to be seduced (by Satan). But his Lord chose him (for His Grace): He turned to him and gave him guidance.”(Qur’an;20:121-122). To attain salvation, a person must combine faith and action, belief and practice: “As to those who believe and work righteousness verily We shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed”.(Qur’an;18:30). “Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy they will attain salvation” (Qur’an;23:102).
Views of Christian Scholars:
Renowned scholar Steve A. Johnson writes: “In Islam the notion of original sin is regarded as inconsistent with the justice of God. How could a Just and Loving God make an innocent child responsible for, or at least bear the guilt for the sins of a distant ancestor?” Major Yeats-Brown, in his “Life of a Bengal Lancer”, summarizes the Christian Doctrine of the Original sin and Atonement in just a single sentence: “No heathen tribe has conceived so grotesque an idea, involving as it does the assumption, that man was born with a hereditary stain upon him: and that this stain (for which he was not personally responsible) was to be atoned for: and that the creator of all things had to sacrifice his only begotten son to neutralize this mysterious curse.”
Rejection of ‘Law’ against Mission of Jesus:
Paul insisted that there was no need for converts to Christianity to accept Jewish dietary restrictions: “…there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.” (Romans;14:14). The circumcision, which was instituted by God (Genesis;17:9-10) and enforced by the law (Leviticus;12:3; John;7:22) was opposed by Paul, thus he was denounced (Acts; 21:21); “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”(Ephesians;2:15). He did not insist to conform to the rituals of the Mosaic Law, because to him, obedience to the Law alone cannot provide salvation. Paul wrote: “But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.”(Romans;7:6).
This is deliberate outright rejection of the mission and teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) who said: “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”(Mathew;5:17-20). Hence it is logical to conclude that ‘Christianity’ as generally practiced today has nothing to do with Christ except that the name. It is based on the doctrines devised by Paul, who claimed to be his disciple and apostle long after his accession to heaven, though Jesus said: “The disciple is not above his master”: (Luke;6:40).
Second Coming of Jesus Christ:
Jesus was a sign of God who preached to worship one God. He was not killed but God raised him up unto Himself. Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) is still living, he will appear before the Final Day, after the coming of the Mahdi (rightly guided one), when the world will be purified of sin and unbelief. There will be a final death before the final Resurrection, but all would have believed in the faith of Islam before that final death. Narrated by Abu Hurayrah: “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace be upon him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah (poll tax on non Muslims). God will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the imposter (Antichrist) and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him”.Sunan of Abu-Dawud, Hadith: 2025).
Expansion of Christianity:
After Jesus, the Romans rule continued, however after unsuccessful Jewish uprising, the Jewish temple was burnt in 70 C.E and Jews dispersed, all over the world mostly they were treated as lower class citizens. They were forced to live in ghettos. God says: “We broke them up into sections on this earth. There are among them some that are the righteous and some that are the opposite. We have tried them with both prosperity and adversity: in order that they might turn (to us).”(Qur’an;7:168). However in the Islamic world they enjoyed respect and authority. With the conversion of Constantine-I, to (monotheistic-Arian)Christianity in the beginning of 4th century, Palestine became fully Christianized. Khosrow II, king of Persia, launched an invasion; his troops captured Jerusalem in 614 C.E destroyed churches, and carried off the True Cross. In 628 the Byzantine emperor Hercules recovered Palestine, and he subsequently restored the True Cross to Jerusalem.
The Christianity; after brutally suppressing the internal resistance by monotheists (Arianis) to the complex doctrine of Trinity, expanded exponentially with the efforts of missionaries in Europe, Africa and later in Asia. The main reason was ‘good marketing’ by St.Paul, who ‘designed the product’ (Christianity) to make it attractive and acceptable for his initial clients (pagans) by blending the pagan doctrine with the monotheism preached by Jesus and his ancestor Abraham, applying the label of Christ. The Monotheists Christians like Arius despite initial successes were ultimately suppressed due to oppression and persecution. With emergence of Europeans as global colonial powers, Christianity got additional boost and it became a dominant religion of the world. With the revival of original true faith of Abraham (Islam) through the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in seventh century C.E, all the false concepts stand fully exposed: “Truth has come and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.”(Qur’an;17:81).
MONOTHEISM IN CHRISTIANITY

There is a common perception that Christianity has always been following the doctrines like Trinity , Original, Redemption and Crucifiction of Christ; this is far from truth. After doctrinal differences with Paul, the monotheists like Barnabas did not sit idle but continued preaching the true message of monotheism of Jesus Christ. The followers of Barnabas never developed a central organization. Yet due to the truthfulness of simple theology and devotion of their leaders, their number increased very fast. These Christians incurred the wrath of the Church and systematic effort was made to destroy them and to obliterate all traces of their existence including books and churches. The lesson of history, however, is that it is very difficult to destroy faith by force. Their lack of organization became a source of strength because it was not so easy to pick them up one by one. Later many doctrines and groups appeared inspired by the teachings of Barnabas; however they avoided mentioning name of Barnabas due to the fear of persecution.
Monarchianism:
Monarchianism was a Christian dissent sect that developed during the 2nd and 3rd centuries C.E. It opposed the doctrine of an independent, personal subsistence of the Logos, affirmed the sole deity of God the Father, and thus represented the extreme monotheistic view. Though it regarded Christ as Redeemer, it clung to the numerical unity of the Deity. Two types of Monarchianism developed: the Dynamic (or Adoptionist) and the Modalistic (or Sabellian).
The Dynamic Monarchianism held that Christ was a mere man, miraculously conceived, but constituted the Son of God (servant of God, in Hebrew terminology) simply by the infinitely high degree in which he had been filled with divine wisdom and power. This view was taught at Rome about the end of the 2nd century by Theodotus. About 260 C.E it was again taught by Paul of Samosata. It is the belief of many modern Unitarians Christians. Modalistic Monarchianism took exception to the “subordinationism” of some of the Church Fathers.
Hypisistarians:
Modern research has brought to light odd facts about these Christians. They are like the crests of waves and looking at them one can visualize a whole body of ocean not yet visible. It is noticed that up to the 4th century C.E there existed a sect known as Hypisistarians who refused to worship God as father. They revered God as an All Mighty Ruler of the world, He was the Highest of all and no one was equal to Him.
Paul of Samosata:
Paul of Samosata, a Monarchianist was a Bishop of Antioch in 260 C.E. He was of the view that Christ was not God but a man and a prophet, he was a man who was born of Mary, through whom God spoke his Word (Logos). He differed only in degree from prophets who came before him and that God could not have become man substantially.
Bishop Lucian of Antioch:
History come across another Bishop of Antioch; Lucian. As a Bishop his reputation for sanctity was not less than his fame as a scholar. He came down strongly against the belief of Trinity. He deleted all mention of Trinity from the Bible as he believed it to be a later interpolation not found in the earlier Gospels. He was martyred in 312 C.E by torture and starvation for refusing to eat meat ritually offered to the Roman gods.
Arius (250-336)–A Remarkable Unitarian:
Arius (250-336 C.E) is the famous disciple of Lucian of Antioch He was a Libyan by birth. Peter Bishop of Alexandria ordained him a Deacon but later excommunicated him. Achilles the successor of Peter again ordained Arius as priest. Alexander the next Bishop of Alexandria once again excommunicated him. Arius however had gathered such a large following that he became a headache for the Church. If kept out of Church he could be a great danger to her but he could not be accommodated within the Church as he wanted to establish the unity and simplicity of the Eternal God. He believed that how so ever much Christ may surpass other created beings he himself was not of the same substance as God. He was as human being as any other man. His teachings gave rise to a theological doctrine known as ‘Arianism’, which, in affirming the created, finite nature of Christ, was denounced by the early church as a major heresy. As an ascetical (renouncing material comforts and leading a life of austere self-discipline, especially as an act of religious devotion.), moral leader of a Christian community in the area of Alexandria, Arius attracted a large following through a message, which accented the absolute oneness of the divinity as the highest perfection, with a literal, rationalist approach to the New Testament texts. This point of view was publicized about 323C.E through the poetic verse of his major work, Thalia (”Banquet”), was widely spread by popular songs written for labourers and travelers.
Hence the monotheistic teaching of Arius spread like wild fire and shook the very foundation of the (Pauline) Church. The controversy that was simmering for three hundred years suddenly became a conflagration. No man dared to oppose the organized Church but Arius did, and remained a headache for her whether he was ordained a priest or was excommunicated. During this time some events changed the history of Europe.
Arianism- The Monotheistic Christianity:
Arianism may summarized as; “The Christ is not truly divine but a created being. Arius’ basic premise was the uniqueness of God, who is alone self-existent and immutable; the Son, who is not self-existent, cannot be God. Because the Godhead is unique, it cannot be shared or communicated, so the Son cannot be God. Because the Godhead is immutable, the Son, who is mutable, being represented in the Gospels as subject to growth and change, cannot be God. The Son must, therefore, be deemed a creature who has been called into existence out of nothing (through Word, Logos or Command) and has had a beginning. Moreover, the Son can have no direct knowledge of the Father since the Son is finite and of a different order of existence.”
How Trinitarians Became Dominant Group:
Emperor Constantine-I brought a greater part of Europe under his rule and secondly he began to support the Christians without accepting Christianity. To the soldier prince the different creeds within the Christian faith were very confusing. In the Imperial Palace itself the controversy was raging not less fiercely. It appears that perhaps the Queen Mother was inclined towards Pauline Christianity while his sister Princess Constantina was a disciple of Arius. The Emperor was wavering between the two faiths. As an administrator he was interested only in uniting all the Christians within one Church. It was at this time that the conflict between Arius and Bishop Alexander became so widespread and so violent that it became a law and order problem. So the Emperor anxious to maintain peace in the newly unified Europe had to intervene.
Council of Nicea (325) & Doctrine of Trinity:
In 325 C.E a meeting of all denominations of Christianity was called at Nicea (Now Isnik, a village). Bishop Alexander was not able to attend the conference and he deputed his lieutenant Athanasius, who subsequently succeeded Alexander as Bishop of Alexandria. The conference had many prolonged sessions. Emperor Constantine could not grasp the full implications of the ecclesiastical confrontation, but he was very clear in his mind that for maintaining peace in his realm the support and cooperation of the Church was necessary. Accordingly he threw his weight behind Athanasius and banished Arius from the realm. Thus the belief of Trinity became the official religion of the empire.
Arianism (Monotheism) as an Official Faith:
Fearful massacre of Christians (Arians) who did not believe in Trinity followed. It became a penal offence to possess a Bible not authorized by the Church and according to some estimates as many as 270 different versions of the Bible were burnt. Princess Constantina was not happy at the turn of events. The Emperor ultimately was persuaded to accept the faith of the men he killed. The result was that Arius was called back in 346 C.E. The day Arius was scheduled to visit the Cathedral of Constantinople in triumph, he died suddenly. The Church called it a miracle. The Emperor knew it was a murder. He banished Athanasius and two other Bishops. The Emperor then formally accepted Christianity and was baptized by an Arian Bishop. Thus Monotheism became the official religion. Constantine died in 337 C.E followed by Emperor Constantanius, he also accepted the faith of Arius (monotheism).
Monotheism Accepted, True Christian Faith:
Conference of Antioch (341 C.E)
In 341 C.E. a Christian church council was held in Antioch (modern Antakya in southeastern Turkey) and Monotheism was accepted as a correct interpretation of Christian faith. This council was held on the occasion of the consecration of the emperor Constantine-I’s Golden Church there. It was the first of several 4th-century councils that attempted to replace orthodox Nicene theology with a modified Arianism. Attended by the Eastern emperor Constantius-II and about 100 bishops. The council developed four creeds as substitutes for the Nicene, all of them to some degree unorthodox and omitting or rejecting the Nicene statement that Christ was “of one substance” (homoousios) with the Father. The disciplinary 25 canons of Antioch are generally thought to have come from this council, but some scholars believe they were the work of an earlier council (330) at Antioch.
Council of Sirmium (351 C.E):
This view was confirmed by another Council held in Sirmium in 351 C.E. As a result Arianism was accepted by an overwhelming majority of Christians. St. Jerome wrote in 359 C.E that ‘the whole world groaned and marveled to find itself Arian’. Indeed, for more than 40 years after the death of Constantine, Arianism continued to be the official orthodoxy of the Eastern Empire.
Arians Declined in Numbers but Survived:
After Constantius’ death (361 C.E), the orthodox Christian majority (Trinitarians) in the West consolidated its position. The persecution of orthodox Christians conducted by the Arian emperor Valens (364-378 C.E) in the East and the success of Basil the Great of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus led the Homoiousian majority in the East to toe the line of the Nicene party. When the emperors Gratian (367-383 C.E) and Theodosius-I (379-395 C.E) took up to favour orthodoxy, Arianism had to recede. In 381 C.E the second ecumenical (concerned with establishing or promoting unity among churches or religions.) council met at Constantinople. Arianism was proscribed, and a statement of faith, the Nicene Creed, was approved. However the basic doctrines of Arianism continue to survive and expand with different forms & names within Christianity and beyond.
DOCTRINES REFUTED IN BIBLE
The Salvation:
The SALVATION only comes through keeping of the COMMANDMENTS, was the teaching of Jesus: “And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”(Mathew;19:16-17). Paul nailed the Law and the Commandments to the CROSS: “having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross.”(Colossians;2:14). Paul claimed that salvation can only be obtained through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ: “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.”(Roman;10:9-10), “If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain.”(1Corinthians;15:14).
Gospel of Jesus-‘Opening’:
True ‘Gospel of Jesus’ by his disciple and apostle Barnabas; Christ was a new prophet sent by God to the world. “According to the, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ, to all them that dwell upon the earth desireth peace and consolation. Dearly beloved the great and wonderful God hath during these past days visited us by his prophet Jesus Christ in great mercy of teaching and miracles, by reason whereof many, being deceived of Satan, under presence of piety, are preaching most impious doctrine, calling Jesus son of God, repudiating the circumcision ordained of God for ever, and permitting every unclean meat: among whom also Paul hath been deceived, whereof I speak not without grief; for which cause I am writing that truth which I have seen and heard, in the intercourse that I have had with Jesus, in order that ye may be saved, and not be deceived of Satan and perish in the judgment of God. Therefore beware of every one that preacheth unto you new doctrine contrary to that which I write, that ye may be saved eternally. The great God be with you and guard you from Satan and from every evil. Amen”.
Death of Jesus Christ on the Cross?
The death of Jesus Christ on the cross is the centre of all Christian theology. All Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ. All Christian statements about history, about the church, about faith and sanctification, about the future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ.
Jesus Not Killed-Internal Evidence of Bible:
Jesus Christ was neither killed nor was he crucified, as alleged by the Christian theologians and the Jews, but that he was alive. The renowned South African scholar and authority on Bible, Ahmed Deedat in his book: ‘CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION’ has deliberated on this aspect through references and internal evidence from Bible. The salient points of his pragmatic arguments are summarized below:-
1). Jesus was reluctant to die! Because he had worked out a strategy of defense to repel the Jews, because he wanted to remain Alive! (Matthew 26:37-38)
2). He beseeched God for help: With strong crying and tears for God Almighty to keep him Alive!(Luke 22:44 Matthew 26: 37-39).
3). God “Heard” his prayers: Which means that God accepted his prayers to keep him Alive! (Hebrews;5:7).
4). An angel of God came to strengthen him: In the hope and belief that God will save him Alive!(Luk;22:43).
5). Pilate (Roman ruler) finds Jesus not guilty! Good reason to keep Jesus Alive! (John;18:38).
6). Pilate’s wife shown a dream in which she was told that: “No harm should come to this just man (Jesus).” In other words, that he should be saved Alive! (Matthew;27:19).
7). Jesus was supposed to be on the cross for only three hours: According to the system in vogue, no man could die by crucifixion in such a short time which means that even if he was fastened to the cross — he was Alive!
8). The other two — his “Crossmates” on their respective crosses were alive: So Jesus too, for the same period of time must be Alive!
9). Encyclopedia Biblica under article “Cross”, column 960 says: “When the spear was thrust — Jesus was Alive!”
10). “Forthwith” Came there out blood and water: “Forthwith” means straightaway, immediately which was a sure sign that Jesus was Alive! (John;19:34).
11). Legs of Jesus were not broken — as a fulfillment of prophecy (Psalm;34:20): “Legs” can be of any use only if Jesus was Alive! (John;19:33),(Matthew;13:14).
12). Thunderstorm, earthquake, and darkening of the sun all within 3 hours! : (Divine help in acceptance of his prayer) to disperse the sadistic mob to enable his “secret disciples” to help, keep him ALIVE! (Matthew;12:49,Mark;15:47)
13). Jews doubted his death: They suspected that he had escaped death on the cross — that he was Alive! (Matthew;27:62-64). The Jews were suspicious because it was all very “fishy” ;
a. The tomb within easy reach.
b. Helping hands of his “secret” disciples.
c. His “Crossmates” still alive.
d. His legs not broken, whereas those of his “cross-mates” were!
e. Quick and easy permission granted by Pilate to obtain the body of Jesus.
14). For these and many more reasons, the Jews were suspicious. They felt that they had been cheated. Jesus was Alive! (?) So they ran to Pilate. But they had missed the bus again! They were 24 hours late (too late)!
15). Pilate “marvels” to hear that Jesus was dead: He knew from experience that no man can die so soon by crucifixion. He suspected that Jesus was Alive!(Mark;15:44).
16). Jesus was kept in a big roomy chamber (by his helpers): Close at hand, and big and airy for willing hands to come to the rescue. Providence was out to keep Jesus Alive!
17). Stone (blocking entrance) and “winding sheets” had to be removed: Only necessary if Jesus was Alive!
18). Report on winding sheets: German Scientists who carried out experiments on the “Shroud of Turin” said that the heart of Jesus had not stopped functioning — that he was Alive!
19). Ever in disguise (as gardener)! : Disguise not necessary if Jesus was “resurrected” (spiritualized). Only necessary if he was Alive! (John;20:15), (Hebrews;9:27).
20). Jesus forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him: “Touch me not” for this reasons that it would hurt; because he was Alive! (Joh;20:17).
21). Jesus said: “Not yet ascended unto my Father”: In the language of the Jews, in the idiom of the Jews, he was saying, “I am not dead yet”, in other words, “I am Alive!” (Joh;20:17).
22). Mary Magdalene was not afraid on recognizing Jesus: Because she had seen signs of life before. She was looking for a Jesus who was Alive!
23). Disciples petrified on seeing Jesus in the upper-room: All their knowledge about the “crucifixion” was from hearsay, therefore, they could not believe that Jesus was Alive! (Mark;16:11,13). (Acts; 2:24, Matthew; 6:30; 8:26; 74:37; 76:8; and Luke;72:28).
24). Jesus ate food again and again in his post ‘CRUCIFIXION’ appearances: Food was only necessary if he was Alive! (Luke;24:30).
25). Jesus never showed himself to his enemies: Because he had escaped death by the “skin of his teeth”. He was Alive!
26). Jesus took only short trips: Because he was not resurrected, not spiritualized, but Alive!
27). Testimony of men around the tomb: “Why seek ye the living among the dead?” (Luke 24:4-5): That he is not dead, but alive!
28). Testimony of angels: “. . angels who had said that he was Alive!”(Luke;24:23). Did not say, “Resurrected” but the actual word uttered by the angels was “Alive!”
29). Mary Magdalene testifies: “. . . they heard that he was Alive, and had been seen by her, they believed not.”(Mark;16:11): Mary did not vouch for a spook, or ghost or spirit of Jesus but a ‘Live’ Jesus. What they could not believe was that the Master was Alive!
30). Dr. Primrose testifies: That the “water and the blood”, when Jesus was lanced on the side, was on account of an upset in the nervous vessels because of the scourging by staves. Which was a sure sign that Jesus was Alive!
31). Jesus had himself foretold that his miracle will be the miracle of Jonah! “Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to him (Jesus), “Teacher, we wish to see a sign (miracle) from you. But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign (miracle) of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man (Jesus) be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”(Mathew;38-40). According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was Alive, when we expected him to be ‘Dead’; similarly when we expect Jesus to be DEAD, he should be Alive!
Jesus was not Crucified, but Raised Up:
The contradictions in the crucifiction and resurrection claims have also been mentioned in “Gospel of Jesus” according to disciple Barnabas, which are being mentioned here jus for information and additional knowledge:
a. “..Then God seeing danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel, Michael, Rafael and Uriel, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looketh toward the South…” (Brnabas:215).
b. “Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: ‘God, why hast thou forsaken me, seeing the malefactor hath escaped and I die unjustly?’ Verily I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so alike to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus; believing that Jesus had been a false prophet, and that by art magic he had done the miracles which he did: for Jesus had said that he should not die till near the end of the world; for that at that time he should be taken away from the world.” (Brnabas:217)
Hence the internal evidence from Bible conforms to the saying of God: “And (then Children of Israel) plotted and planned and God too planned and the best of planners is God.(Qur’an;3:54). “That they said (in boast) “We killed Jesus Christ the son of Mary the Apostle of God”; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power Wise. (Qur’an;4:157,158).
Jesus Christ Surrendered to God–A Muslim:
Jesus was the servant of God, who had submitted his will to God. By definition; Muslim is a person who SUBMITS HIS WILL TO GOD. Jesus (peace be upon him) said; “I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I SEEK NOT MINE OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME.”(John;5:30), “Thy will be done”.(Mathew;6:10,26:42). Hence Jesus is a Muslim as per this definition. Muslims worship the same one God, worshiped by Jesus, they are required to offer obligatory prayers (salah), keep fast (saum) and spend on charity (zakah) practice humility which was also practiced and preached by Jesus(Mathew;17:21, 23:23-24, 26:36, 1Peter;4:8).
Circumcised:
Muslims are circumcised as was the Jesus (Luke;2:21-24).
Greetings:
Muslims greet in the same manner as Jesus (peace be upon him) greeted in Hebrew ‘Sholam alay kum’(Luke;24:36), the Islamic greeting in Arabic: “Assalaamu alai kum” both meaning ‘Peace be on you’.
Food, Attire and Appearance like Muslims:
Muslims also do not eat pork nor indulge in intoxicants. Attire and appearance of Jesus with a beard is same as of a faithful Muslim.
Exalted Status of Marry in Qur’an:
Mary, the mother of Jesus is highly respected by Muslims. Qur’an accords her a high status: “We made her and her son a sign for the universe.”(Qura’n;21:91). While she is cursorily mention in Bible, Qur’an names Chapter Number 19 after her and mentions her by name at least thirty three times. She is seen modestly dressed with her head covered; the Muslim women are also dressed modestly like Mary.
Glorified Status of Jesus Christ in Islam:
Jesus was the last Hebrew prophet, who was sent by God to preach the implantation of the Law of Moses to the Jews (Mathew;5:17-20) and make lawful some of that which was forbidden to them(Qur’an;3:49,50). Muslims believe in Jesus as messenger of God(Bible;Acts;2:22), his miraculous birth without father(Qur’an;19:16-40, Matthew;1:18-25 & Luke;1:28-35), the miracles performed by the will of God(Qur’an;3:49, Mathew;4:23,9:35, Luke; 4:22, 9:11, 3:8 and Acts:4:16). They further believe in the revelations (scripture) he received form God, who saved him and raised him up to Himself, to be sent back to this world before end of time.
The Qur’an has clearly emphasized the importance to the Muslims of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). Jesus was no doubt was sent with a direct mission to the Israelites; he was also a universal sign. In Qur’an (21:107) the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has been termed as a Mercy unto Humanity (Rahmatun lil Alamin), in the same Chapter (21:91) Mary and Jesus have been termed as a “Sign to Humanity” (Ayatun lil Alamin) due to miraculous birth of Jesus to virgin Mary. It is important that though many prophets are mentioned in the Qur’an the word Alamin (universe or humanity) has been used “only for Prophet Jesus and Mohammed (peace be upon them). In addition to his mission to the Israelites Jesus was commissioned with the task of heralding to the world the advent of the Last and the greatest. (John;14:16,15:26,16:7,12-14, Qu

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 31st, 2009 at 7:24 am Said:

Abujak, here is just one example of your relgion, treatment of women (You talk about the reverance of Mary mother of Jesus) What happened to the rest of the women? Shut ‘em up, knock ‘em down? Sharia Law maybe? Oh, I guess we women just need to speak when spoken to.

Mistreat ‘Em Right
Sunday, August 30, 2009
By Amy Alkon
Mistreat ‘Em Right
The commenter who sent me this link, wrote, and I concur, “If I was to pick one criterion with which to judge a society, the treatment of women would be it.”

By that standard, as this article shows, Islam is vile.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/amyalkon/?p=599

Twice Branded: Western Women in Muslim Lands
Judy Bachrach

Every time I despair of the way women are treated in Muslim countries—and the few syllables Western leaders and op-ed columnists expend on their humiliations, mutilations, harassments, and, yes, murders—I turn to the Web site of Mona Eltahawy. Eltahawy spent her formative years in Egypt and Saudi Arabia:

A couple of years after I stopped visiting, a horrific fire broke out in a school in Mecca, home to the Muslim world’s holiest site. Fifteen girls burned to death because morality police standing outside the school wouldn’t let them out of the burning building. Why? Because they weren’t wearing headscarves and abayas, the black cloaks that girls and women must wear in public in Saudi Arabia.

And here is Eltahawy on a girl’s lot in Egypt:

When I was only four years old and still living in Cairo, a man exposed himself to me as I stood on a balcony at my family’s, and gestured for me to come down. At 15, I was groped as I was performing the rites of the hajj pilgrimage at Mecca, the holiest site for Muslims. Every part of my body was covered except for my face and hands. I’d never been groped before and burst into tears, but I was too ashamed to explain to my family what had happened.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/2009%20-%20Summer/full-Bachrach.html

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John, on August 31st, 2009 at 8:07 am Said:

Well said Warrantonegirl.
I think it is absurd to continue this. His posts are too long and I for one do not read them. Nothing is being accomplished here but wasted space.
Sorry Abujak, but nothing you say will change my mind.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on August 31st, 2009 at 8:42 am Said:

Thank you John. My sentiments exactly.

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on September 1st, 2009 at 8:02 pm Said:

What say you? Proof of the Love…
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John, on September 1st, 2009 at 8:31 pm Said:

Typical Muslim Sharia Bs Intollerence. Go to Iran Or Syria if you want stupid crap. I’m getting sick and frikking tired of a bunch of Muslim BS. Now AssHole Obama is going to Oobserve Ramadan in the frikkin white house .

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Warrant One Girl – asil, on September 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm Said:

John, yes He already did Usher in Ramadan from the White House, however he couldn’t observe The National Day of prayer when many presidents before him for I forget how many decades have observed or participated, but oh no I think his PR guy said he was praying while facing Mecca…go figure.

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Aujak: sent a reply wihich was not published by the blog owner.. due to the obvious reasons. She did not have any logic to refute what the Jesus say in Bible as qouoted above. Instaed of replying to the ponits rasided in dicussion an effort has been made to side track the issue by dirverting to Women in Islam >>>> The reply has not been published by the blog woner: Warrant One Girl – asil.

However another reply was poted but is held up for moderation by Warrant One Girl – asil, I doubt if it will be pulished…. Hecne reproduced below:::::

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Abujak, on September 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 am Said: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

In every society and culture there is maltreatment of some segments of society, the Gypsies in Europe, Jews in Christendom [not now, they are the favorites ], domestic violence against women in USA, Europe and all around the world, abuse of children, racism against Africans and others, murders, rapes, and many other heinous crimes. They are not attributed to Christianity or any other religions but once such crimes happen in Muslim society the blame is straightway put on Islam. There is a disease called Islamophobia, mostly there are patients of this disease. http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddr3w4sm_19dw6mgsd7.
Islam has raised the status of women 1400 years ago, read details in >>> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AU74ipQP1jsWZGd4ZnZ2M183M3czZmdweGRr&hl=en

Some people need some target to hate, initially it were Jews, then Black Americans, Communists and now Islam and Muslims. If you think that hatred will do good to the world peace…. you are mistaken… hatred breeds more hatred and violence.

The world is a global village now there are around 1.5 billion Muslims, you have to live with then as your neighbors. Jesus Christ said,

“And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”[Mark;12:31].
He did not specify that you love your neighbor only if he is Christian!
“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”[Matthew;5:9]


“And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of God unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One [Arabid:Muhammad]. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.”[Qur’an’61:6]


“Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honor him and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful. Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of God to you all–(the messenger of) Him unto whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no God save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in God and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in God and in His words and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.” [Qur’an;7:157-158].

For now I shall close the discussion by concluding with the verses from Qur’an and Bible:


Do not argue with the followrs of earlier revelations except in good taste – except with those who are wicked among them – and say: ” We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.”(Qura’n;29:46)

“Say: O followrs of earlier revelations [Jews and Chrisitans]. Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partners unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).”[Qur’an;3:64]


“You cannot make the dead hear you, nor can you make the deaf hear your call especially when they have turned their backs and go away;
Nor can you guide the blind out of their error. None will hear you save those who believe in Our revelations so that they surrender (unto Him).”(Qur’an;30:53)

“Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.”(Isaiah;43:8)

“Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. .”(Isaiah;42:18)

“And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. .”(Isaiah;29:18)

“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, who said, By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people’s heart has become gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. .”( Jesus Christ, Matthew;13:14-16)

“That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.”(Jesus Christ, Mark;4:12)

“And so, set thy face steadfalty towards the [one ever-true] faith, turinig away from all that is false, in accordance with the natural dispositon which God has intilled in to man [for] not to allow any change to coruupt what God has thus created- this is the [purpose of the one] ever-true faih; but most people know it not”(Qur’an:30:30).

“Make due allownce for man’s nature, and enjoin he doing of what is right; and leave alone all those who choose to remain ignorant”(Qur’an’;7:199)

Let us take a break.

Abujak

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